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Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

lorey wrote: post #91

Their response: > The team that made dataroom has stated that they did not use any of papermark’s code and that dataroom was made from scratch with inspiration from existing document sharing softwares, and that this post’s allegations of us stealing code are false. [...] The screenshots clearly show they copied whole pages verbatim, both design and texts. The founder, Nico Laqua, basically responding with "we didn't…

He was bragging about working on weekends and comparing his shitty little insurance company to the Manhattan Project a while back. Somewhere he claimed this company/industry is the most important application of AI in the world. I have no doubt they ripped it off, this guy is not trustworthy to say the least..

https://x.com/nico_laqua/status/2061130574358773852?s=20

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by GTP »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #134
lorey wrote: post #91

Their response: > The team that made dataroom has stated that they did not use any of papermark’s code and that dataroom was made from scratch with inspiration from existing document sharing softwares, and that this post’s allegations of us stealing code are false. [...] The screenshots clearly show they copied whole pages verbatim, both design and texts. The founder, Nico Laqua, basically responding with "we didn't…

> Please contact model provider {name} for further inquiries That would be my cynical response.

Which would bring you nowhere. If they didn't change this at some point, I remember at the time everyone was staring to use ChatGPT that OpenAI wrote in their terms that the user is responsible for the model's output. If they can do this, I expect other model providers doing this as well.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by deaux »

liendolucas wrote: post #148
manwithopinions wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re a business that deals in documents from external customers / partners, you use a data room like DocSend (by Dropbox) to share and receive documents with access management, analytics, auditing etc. Papermark is an open source alternative to DocSend. Papermark is very popular, as it is a much more cost effective alternative to DocSend — self-host or hosted. Corgi is a YC backed insurance startup that sells in…

Thanks for the insight. So regarding what you explained above, is Corgi's fate supposed to be similar to Delve's? Or are those numbers so big/important for YC that they won't be banned?

Flock (YC S17) tells us that no, YC won't mind if you're building the Torment Nexus, as long as it whitelists other YC affiliates.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by fsddfsdfssdf »

nerdsniper wrote: post #174
dcow wrote: post #116

When everyone is using LLMs to suggest IA, build basic UIs, dump out your startup in a day, etc. everything will look the same, even the source code. There will be no way to litigate this. Does it benefit society to force two companies to make their products look different? Where’s the outrage over all basic pencils looking the same? Let the market decide which pencils it prefers.

> Where’s the outrage over all basic pencils looking the same? This would fall under patents (design patent at the very least), not copyright. Furthermore, the English verbiage between the two are literally exactly the same. That's a clear copyright violation.

Changing a few words is thus enough to clear this case. What's the point of this exercise exactly?

Both products are so incredibly derivative and boring that I find it very, very hard to care about this "case".

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by Kwpolska »

handoflixue wrote: post #178
ncruces wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be surprised to learn that the work of a copywriter is also copyrighted.

That's a weird thing to say in response to someone saying "the text was rewritten, so it's not actually a copy"

On the first screen, the only "rewriting" done was s/dataroom/Room/g.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by john_strinlai »

overfeed wrote: post #108
civet_java wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am curious how this will play out legally. Surely UI enough isn't enough to prove that source code was plagiarised? In the event Papermark chooses to sue how will the defendant defend themselves short of presenting their own (possibly) closed source?

> I am curious how this will play out legally I am curious if/how YC will handle this to get ahead of earning a reputation of being a den of scammers - a few months after the Delve scandal

>I am curious if/how YC will handle this to get ahead of earning a reputation of being a den of scammers

flock is a YC company, so it's pretty clear that YC does not care about a negative reputation. as long as it makes money, nothing else matters.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by liendolucas »

nerdsniper wrote: post #171
liendolucas wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the insight. So regarding what you explained above, is Corgi's fate supposed to be similar to Delve's? Or are those numbers so big/important for YC that they won't be banned?

Delve screwed over other YC startups, Corgi is stealing from a non-YC startup. Therefore, there will be no official censure from YC. This is a pretty well-established fact pattern historically. Just don't mess with the YC community if you want to stay in YC.

That's pretty lame. Startups that show this behavior to the OSS community should be equally punished, be under the YC umbrella or not.
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