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Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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> Normally getting insurance from a startup like Corgi would be a very bad idea because what’s to say they’ll be able to pay out claims? Actually normally it’s fine because it’s rarely the startup selling insurance who’s doing the underwriting. Corgi is more worrying because they’re (apparently) underwriting too.

My understanding is a normal insurance tech startup would be acting as a broker. A rare but sensible insurance tech startup would use external underwriters and reinsurance and provide insolvency protection. Corgi doesn’t have any external underwriters, doesn’t have any insolvency protection, doesn’t have any reinsurance. I think they’re bad on all 3 points, not just the underwriting?

If this is the scenario, it's no wonder they're underwriting everyone & everything, and can do this competitively, because a broker would need to find either enough new clients and/or efficiencies to justify being the middleman between the customer and the actual insurer. That's typically been the strategy of every financial tech company; I don't see any secret sauce with Corgi beyond "'cause AI!". Move fast and break things is not what I'd want in my insurance company.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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I did an interview a couple years ago when Corgi was first hiring engineers. Nico and I ... did not click and it was probably the least smooth interview I've ever had despite it just being a phone screen. I wouldn't be that surprised if Nico genuinely thinks "we didn't copy the code" is a reasonable defense. It would be a clear cut rule, and extreme "shape rotator" types often have trouble with the fuzziness of thing…

> It would be a clear cut rule, and extreme "shape rotator" types... It had to look that slang up: https://roonscape.ai/p/a-song-of-shapes-and-words . > ...often have trouble with the fuzziness of things like law. In reality, copyright infringement is often more like the porn test, you know it when you see it. I'd say it's more like the fuzziness defeats most of the software-style "exploits" those types gravitate tow…

Obligatory XKCD

https://xkcd.com/1494/

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Their response: > The team that made dataroom has stated that they did not use any of papermark’s code and that dataroom was made from scratch with inspiration from existing document sharing softwares, and that this post’s allegations of us stealing code are false. [...] The screenshots clearly show they copied whole pages verbatim, both design and texts. The founder, Nico Laqua, basically responding with "we didn't…

He was bragging about working on weekends and comparing his shitty little insurance company to the Manhattan Project a while back. Somewhere he claimed this company/industry is the most important application of AI in the world. I have no doubt they ripped it off, this guy is not trustworthy to say the least.. https://x.com/nico_laqua/status/2061130574358773852?s=20

Any long-distance bike ride/race fans here? the Tour Divide just completed and the record was shattered, not by riding for as long as possible, but with detailed planning, a dialed setup and getting a (relatively) lot of sleep & rest. Seems like this approach is applicable to many domains, but it's a lot more work than the obvious approach of "work more".

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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If you drop a screenshot of a web page into something like Figma Make, you can get it to produce a strikingly close replica. I get that vibe from the screenshots. They are very similar but not exactly the same. That's probably also why a lot of the copy is the same.

Not getting your magic text generator to reword the copy for you is just sloppy.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Delve screwed over other YC startups, Corgi is stealing from a non-YC startup. Therefore, there will be no official censure from YC. This is a pretty well-established fact pattern historically. Just don't mess with the YC community if you want to stay in YC.

That's pretty lame. Startups that show this behavior to the OSS community should be equally punished, be under the YC umbrella or not.

I don't think there's some sort of "line" that Delve crossed and Corgi has not, more likely the financial upside for YC wrt Corgi is much, much bigger. They're not going to mess with that even if the screw over a few of their other startups. YC absolutely loves to tout this family dynamic across all their companies and alumni, but there is no way the relationship between a few dozen startups looks anything like that between literally thousands of companies. It's a scaled up tech-hype startup machine now, and has attracted the same MBA-types they supposedly defeated 20+ years ago.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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> I am curious how this will play out legally I am curious if/how YC will handle this to get ahead of earning a reputation of being a den of scammers - a few months after the Delve scandal

Many YC companies do bad things, and I guess they do so independently. There may well be repercussions for the most egregious cases, but I suspect a lot of ill-behaviour simply flies under the radar. For example only yesterday I got spam from an YC company, Polymath, and I replied back asking where they got my details from - no response yet. Once I get something I'll make a GDPR subject access request, then a deletio…

> Many YC companies do bad things,

My comment was not about doing a generic bad thing - it was about scammy behavior in particular (which ties to the Delve incident). YC depends on the VC ecosystem to fund its companies, and no VC wants to be scammed. If a reputation of cultivating/condoning/obliviousness scammers takes root, that would be bad for business.

> But I'm not going to complain to YC about it.

I am not complaining, or even expecting a moral decision. I'm legitimately curious how this will shake out, for purely capitalistic, reputation-management reasons.

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