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NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by thewebguyd »

medlazik wrote: post #29

AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the bette…

> and "AI will take your job"

Don't forget, its no longer cool to say that now that the public has pushed back. The fact they all changed their tone away from taking jobs tells you that it was all just entirely marketing.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by islandfox100 »

parineum wrote: post #32
ck2 wrote: post #24

they are doing DOGE-cuts to all of intelligence now anyway dozens upon dozens fired for no reason so US "intelligence" is going to go even further backwards * https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-acting-ch... November is going to be insanity

> dozens upon dozens fired for no reason When you say without reason do you mean without cause?

Seems to me OP's implication is that they were fired because someone wanted to hit a quota of (employees cut/payroll expenses reduced), or other similarly ''reasonless'' justifications.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by aleqs »

strictnein wrote: post #36
chews wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Yes, you have collected a lot of random bits of information from over a decade ago. I'm sure everything you say is still relevant today, especially the conspiracy nonsense. Some of us actually work in security, while others think the NSA and CIA are some magically powerful orgs. Explain how, even with the mystical Room 641A, the NSA can't break a TLS1.3 protected communication channel without either party knowing abo…

Explain to me how you are going to encrypt your LLM API calls with your let's encrypt cert.

There are also multiple ways/places traffic you send to typical cloud/tech company is decrypted and can be intercepted. (Surprised I have to point this out to someone who 'actually works in security ' lol)

Not to mention US tech companies fully cooperate with the NSA in many cases and are aware of this going on.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by HlessClaudesman »

AustinDev wrote: post #16

They could easily take the weights if they wanted. I don't believe they meaningfully lost access.

Who will make them the next set of weights?

If a government can just seize the product of someone else's labour, either they will end up as slave owners or without willing workers.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

bflesch wrote: post #40
medlazik wrote: post #29

AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the bette…

We should seriously reframe this whole AI thing to "SI = simulated intelligence". It's google in a box. Great achievement, makes knowledge work faster, but please stop bothering everyone else. The Uber and Groupon people became billionaires, so the "Simulated Intelligence" folks will also achieve it. No need to worry and drown everyone in these bs stories only non-tech people believe.

Heh. In the Schlock Mercenary universe, "SI" means "synthetic intelligence", which is a level below real AI (which means what we would call AGI). And, as it says (in https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2003-07-21), SI translates to "kinda stupid".

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by dofm »

If Mythos is still running internally, the NSA still have some access to it. It's just crazy to believe there aren't CIA and/or NSA plants (tacitly acknowledged or otherwise) inside Anthropic and OpenAI.

But Mythos is still only an advanced LLM so I am not sure what all this breathy fuss is about; it sounds like the PR war more than anything.

If the NSA aren't themselves training technologies that are at least as powerful, that would modestly surprise me.

Not that you need an LLM to monitor the risks to the USA. You just need Tulsi Gabbard's emails.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by stackghost »

bluGill wrote: post #10
Madmallard wrote: post #2

Doesn't make any sense. They could just force them to provide Mythos to the federal government.

Probably not. The US constitution limits what government can force on the people. If the NSA tries to force something that will spend years in court (if anyone wants to fight)

> The US constitution limits what government can force on the people.

The US constitution also prohibits:

- refusing to spend money that congress has appropriated

- dismantling congressionally-created federal agencies without congressional authorization

- directing federal agencies to selectively apply the law according to the preference of the executive

- giving control of federal agencies to individuals who have not been appointed by the legislative branch

- terminating, detaining, or deporting people without due process

- retaliation against private citizens or corporations for speech protected under the first amendment

- discriminating on protected grounds under the equal protections clause

... and yet the administration has done all these things with impunity while effete judges wring their hands and write sternly-worded letters. The US constitution demonstrably no longer has any force or effect.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by tempodox »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #34
medlazik wrote: post #29

AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the bette…

All for a product that has yet to make a single honest dollar in profit for anyone who isn't nvidia. When this goes we might well see a recession. Not that anyone responsible will be worse off, of course.

The perpetrators all have their golden parachutes. The taxpayers will foot the bill.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by flybarrel »

d--b wrote: post #11
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They could just force them to provide Mythos to the federal government The DPA only gives that power to the President [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950

Maybe GP was treating Trump to the royal "they"

doubt Trump would accept that pronoun
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