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NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by yard2010 »

aleqs wrote: post #7
Madmallard wrote: post #2

Doesn't make any sense. They could just force them to provide Mythos to the federal government.

Yeah... NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company (based on my reading/following of Snowden leaks and others). Anthropic wouldn't be able to exist without implicit NSA approval. This article reads more like a marketing piece for Anthropic/Mythos... and ends by talking about how much NSA wants Anthropic models. Propaganda.

Please provide sources for such bold claims

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by parineum »

ck2 wrote: post #24

they are doing DOGE-cuts to all of intelligence now anyway dozens upon dozens fired for no reason so US "intelligence" is going to go even further backwards * https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-acting-ch... November is going to be insanity

> dozens upon dozens fired for no reason

When you say without reason do you mean without cause?

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by bflesch »

aleqs wrote: post #7
Madmallard wrote: post #2

Doesn't make any sense. They could just force them to provide Mythos to the federal government.

Yeah... NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company (based on my reading/following of Snowden leaks and others). Anthropic wouldn't be able to exist without implicit NSA approval. This article reads more like a marketing piece for Anthropic/Mythos... and ends by talking about how much NSA wants Anthropic models. Propaganda.

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

medlazik wrote: post #29

AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the bette…

All for a product that has yet to make a single honest dollar in profit for anyone who isn't nvidia.

When this goes we might well see a recession. Not that anyone responsible will be worse off, of course.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by strictnein »

chews wrote: post #23
strictnein wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company No, they don't.

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Yes, you have collected a lot of random bits of information from over a decade ago. I'm sure everything you say is still relevant today, especially the conspiracy nonsense.

Some of us actually work in security, while others think the NSA and CIA are some magically powerful orgs.

Explain how, even with the mystical Room 641A, the NSA can't break a TLS1.3 protected communication channel without either party knowing about it. Assume you have generated a cert with Let's Encrypt. How, exactly, does that work?

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by kansface »

ck2 wrote: post #24

they are doing DOGE-cuts to all of intelligence now anyway dozens upon dozens fired for no reason so US "intelligence" is going to go even further backwards * https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-acting-ch... November is going to be insanity

Here is one sector of the US government I'm happy to see burned down. If the alternative is the status quo, I'm OK with any roll of the dice.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by AustinDev »

Onavo wrote: post #35
AustinDev wrote: post #16

They could easily take the weights if they wanted. I don't believe they meaningfully lost access.

If they use the defence production act, would Dario be even able to resign in protest?

If they wanted to officially take the weights the DPA would work and Dario could do nothing. If they wanted to do it in clandestine manner no one could stop them and no one would know. It's very likely they already have all the weights from all the frontier models. I mean all the frontier models are capable of being served from AWS Bedrock so the weights aren't exactly locked in some air-gapped vault.

It would be easy to make a national security justification to take the weights in a clandestine manner especially because Anthropic supposedly got caught giving China access to the model through a cutout.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by parineum »

ai_critic wrote: post #20
strictnein wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company No, they don't.

https://blog.encrypt.me/2013/11/05/ssl-added-and-removed-her... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Yeah, they did (and probably do).

How are they going to MITM communications with certs that never left my machine?

Are you suggesting they broke TLS or that they've somehow acquired every private cert generated?

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by bflesch »

medlazik wrote: post #29

AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the bette…

We should seriously reframe this whole AI thing to "SI = simulated intelligence".

It's google in a box. Great achievement, makes knowledge work faster, but please stop bothering everyone else.

The Uber and Groupon people became billionaires, so the "Simulated Intelligence" folks will also achieve it. No need to worry and drown everyone in these bs stories only non-tech people believe.

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