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Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by solid_fuel »

gr_norm wrote: post #84
rayiner wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Sorry, I'm not in the business of responding thoughtfully to low effort questions slung rapid-fire over the fence, which moreover take nothing I've said into account. Case in point, this comment; it seems innocuous but would take an extreme amount of effort on my part to reply to what is, I suspect, something you've made up your mind about. I think it's clear from your other comments cited here that you're exactly wh…

That's the game these guys play. It's rapid fire, low-substance Just Asking Questions again and again and again. There's never any actual thought behind it because there's no real desire to engage in the debate as a whole.

They don't have backing evidence and don't need it because they aren't starting from a position rooted in facts or logic, they start from a position rooted in feelings like "gender being a social construct makes me feel weird" and work backwards to whatever position they stake out.

The best move is always to aggressively call them out for what they are - gullible rubes at best and sociopathic liars at worst - and to not even bother engaging with the muck they sling.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by khriss »

rayiner wrote: post #85
TimorousBestie wrote: post #80

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Anyone with a bare understanding of the history of science would understand how bad of an assumption that is. You specifically have the much harder problem of explaining how you intend to maintain tech dominance with a Cultural Revolution and also without any foreigners or any of the many various groups of citizens you find personally undesirable.

I’m pretty sure we can maintain technological dominance with the O-visa and E-visa programs.

The implicit assumption is that the people who would genuinely quality for the O visa would want to come to the US. That claim generally held in the past, however it has not been very true in the recent years.

Yes, you will get people who will 'qualify' for those visas, but the bar will and already is getting steadily lower.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by khriss »

charcircuit wrote: post #14

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Just... go away, will you? This constant game of mental gymnastics to interpret open and blatant grift by the supreme leader and his cronies as some kind of genius 4D chess which benefits the 'proud american people' is exhausting.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by rayiner »

gr_norm wrote: post #84
rayiner wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Sorry, I'm not in the business of responding thoughtfully to low effort questions slung rapid-fire over the fence, which moreover take nothing I've said into account. Case in point, this comment; it seems innocuous but would take an extreme amount of effort on my part to reply to what is, I suspect, something you've made up your mind about. I think it's clear from your other comments cited here that you're exactly wh…

> Sorry, I'm not in the business of responding thoughtfully to low effort questions slung rapid-fire over the fence

How is it “low-effort” to ask you to address a point raised in the article itself? The article talks about “decades” of complaints that the NSF isn’t focusing enough on applications. You’re the one who dismisses that in a low-effort way by saying “many people have many complaints.” I’m simply asking you to engage with the points in the article itself.

The fact that there’s been “decades” of complaints suggests it’s not some modern “culture war” issue. You’re the one who seems to be trying to shoehorn it into the culture war, instead of addressing the actual issue: the proper balance between fundamental research and applications.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by rayiner »

khriss wrote: post #92
rayiner wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m pretty sure we can maintain technological dominance with the O-visa and E-visa programs.

The implicit assumption is that the people who would genuinely quality for the O visa would want to come to the US. That claim generally held in the past, however it has not been very true in the recent years. Yes, you will get people who will 'qualify' for those visas, but the bar will and already is getting steadily lower.

Apart from a COVID blip, O1 visa petitions have been steadily growing. They’re up 57% since 2013.

Long-term, I suspect skilled immigration will trend down. But for positive reasons: as India and China develop, more people will make the choice to stay home rather than come to America. Same reason we see little emigration from Korea and Japan anymore. It’s a good change, just like it was a good change when our post-WWII edge was reduced after Europe rebuilt. But the attraction of American capital likely still will bring the superstars here.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by tacomonstrous »

throw36932 wrote: post #65
ck2 wrote: post #64

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has nothing to do with money, it's about destroying science and medicine president burns $2 million in federal funds almost every weekend golfing https://DidTrumpGolfToday.com he took $100 million from park funds for his own birthday party he just ransacked the nuclear missile maintenance program for almost a BILLION dollars to refurbish a half-billion dollar plane which he intends to keep somehow despite wildly ille…

> US funds and supplies Israel 2/3rd of their entire weapons supply (while they have universal healthcare) This is misleading. Israel’s annual budget is $270 Billion, of which $45 Billion is military. US aid is around $3.8 Billion a year.

I don't know the numbers, but you and the parent are saying different things. The US could still be supplying 2/3s of Israel's weapons while only subsidising about 10% of that supply.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by gr_norm »

rayiner wrote: post #94
gr_norm wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I'm not in the business of responding thoughtfully to low effort questions slung rapid-fire over the fence, which moreover take nothing I've said into account. Case in point, this comment; it seems innocuous but would take an extreme amount of effort on my part to reply to what is, I suspect, something you've made up your mind about. I think it's clear from your other comments cited here that you're exactly wh…

> Sorry, I'm not in the business of responding thoughtfully to low effort questions slung rapid-fire over the fence How is it “low-effort” to ask you to address a point raised in the article itself? The article talks about “decades” of complaints that the NSF isn’t focusing enough on applications. You’re the one who dismisses that in a low-effort way by saying “many people have many complaints.” I’m simply asking you…

Many words expended here to avoid asking an answerable question. Which complaints? Must I recapitulate the last 70 years of history of politics around science in the United States? You have fixated on a singular line from the article rather than reply substantively to anything I've said (which indeed responds to such complaints inasmuch as this is possible without hearing a specific one), because you have little interest in reaching a shared understanding of its subject material (you do not remotely care about any such historical complaints, or I would've heard one by now) relative to your desire to advance the culture war, as laid bare by your other comments. This sort of low-trust behavior, exacerbated by pretending otherwise, is typical of your unfortunate mindset.

The tactics of discourse you employ are tired and show no signs of improving. You've unfortunately lost the courtesy of a further response from me.

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