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Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

#81

Post by NewJazz »

rayiner wrote: post #68
solid_fuel wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Presumably the conservatives still want the US to be a superpower, I used to think that too, but it seems evident the current crop of conservatives is only interested in hurting people they don’t like and funneling money into the pockets of oligarchs. It’s pretty evident now that none of this is being done out of patriotism or a genuine desire to improve America.

> hurting people they don’t like > genuine desire to improve America We think these are related, just like you do. The difference is that you assume that hurting billionaires will improve America while we assume that hurting NGOs and postmodernist academics will do so. And that difference results from the fact that you think you can construct a new society without billionaires and industrialists that nonetheless offe…

By contrast, we think the way to get more prosperity is to do more of the things that made America prosperous in the past.

Like not wage foreign wars?

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

#82

Post by solid_fuel »

rayiner wrote: post #79
solid_fuel wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We think these are related, just like you do. Oh, we're all well aware that you think hurting people is the only way to improve the country. > The difference is that you assume that hurting billionaires will improve America while we assume that hurting NGOs and postmodernist academics will do so. Don't you know that lying is a sin? You can't even define "postmodernist". No. I've heard this screeching noise you're m…

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> How about “people who bring intersectional personal attributes into a discussion of science funding?”

Yeah, that's what I figured - you are in fact completely incapable of defining "postmodernist". I don't think anyone is surprised that you have no idea what you're talking about though, it's pretty obvious that you're just a really emotionally fragile guy who is having some big feelings about minorities existing.

By the way, I know there's no god, because if there was you would have spontaneously imploded from the sheer irony of whining about bringing “intersectional personal attributes into a discussion of science funding” in a post-DOGE world.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

#83

Post by TimorousBestie »

solid_fuel wrote: post #82
rayiner wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> How about “people who bring intersectional personal attributes into a discussion of science funding?” Yeah, that's what I figured - you are in fact completely incapable of defining "postmodernist". I don't think anyone is surprised that you have no idea what you're talking about though, it's pretty obvious that you're just a really emotionally fragile guy who is having some big feelings about minorities existing. B…

“By that definition, DOGE was postmodernist” is sincerely great, good job.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

#84

Post by gr_norm »

rayiner wrote: post #75
gr_norm wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is an enormous budget cut; it is exactly an evisceration. And the general trend is to cut both science and its application. Trials for life-saving treatments _by biotech companies attempting to commercialize them_ are being halted or cancelled due to the science cuts and general corruption. Many people have many complaints; many should be ignored. There's lots of money (and indeed, huge market incentive) to comm…

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Sorry, I'm not in the business of responding thoughtfully to low effort questions slung rapid-fire over the fence, which moreover take nothing I've said into account. Case in point, this comment; it seems innocuous but would take an extreme amount of effort on my part to reply to what is, I suspect, something you've made up your mind about.

I think it's clear from your other comments cited here that you're exactly who I'm talking about: a gullible soldier of the culture war who has perfected the art of wasting endless quantities of time arguing online.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

#85

Post by rayiner »

TimorousBestie wrote: post #80
rayiner wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The assumption is that the people in the universities who can build missiles can pretty easily be distinguished from those who can’t.

Anyone with a bare understanding of the history of science would understand how bad of an assumption that is. You specifically have the much harder problem of explaining how you intend to maintain tech dominance with a Cultural Revolution and also without any foreigners or any of the many various groups of citizens you find personally undesirable.

I’m pretty sure we can maintain technological dominance with the O-visa and E-visa programs.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

#86

Post by jrflowers »

rayiner wrote: post #75
gr_norm wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is an enormous budget cut; it is exactly an evisceration. And the general trend is to cut both science and its application. Trials for life-saving treatments _by biotech companies attempting to commercialize them_ are being halted or cancelled due to the science cuts and general corruption. Many people have many complaints; many should be ignored. There's lots of money (and indeed, huge market incentive) to comm…

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“What is your response to my assumption?” lol

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

#87

Post by solid_fuel »

charcircuit wrote: post #14

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The entire program is $1.5 Billion. What's the current running total for the Iran war, again? The republicans care so much about making sure that tax payer money is spent well that they have dumped 30 times that into a pointless war already. In just a few months.

Like, don't you get it already? Nobody is falling for this idiotic "it's about the debt, we're fiscally responsible" bullshit anymore. You can come in here and plug your ears and screech about how all this grift is actually great for the country because 2 billionaires getting 1% more wealth is somehow worth more to you than 100 homeless people being fed and houses, but nobody believes it.

https://militaryspend.org/us-iran-war

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

#88

Post by solid_fuel »

TimorousBestie wrote: post #83
solid_fuel wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How about “people who bring intersectional personal attributes into a discussion of science funding?” Yeah, that's what I figured - you are in fact completely incapable of defining "postmodernist". I don't think anyone is surprised that you have no idea what you're talking about though, it's pretty obvious that you're just a really emotionally fragile guy who is having some big feelings about minorities existing. B…

“By that definition, DOGE was postmodernist” is sincerely great, good job.

0/10 on reading comprehension, repeat 5th grade. I'm sure that's not the first time you've been told that.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by rayiner »

NewJazz wrote: post #81
rayiner wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hurting people they don’t like > genuine desire to improve America We think these are related, just like you do. The difference is that you assume that hurting billionaires will improve America while we assume that hurting NGOs and postmodernist academics will do so. And that difference results from the fact that you think you can construct a new society without billionaires and industrialists that nonetheless offe…

By contrast, we think the way to get more prosperity is to do more of the things that made America prosperous in the past. Like not wage foreign wars?

Yes: https://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/monroe. That’s a central fissure between new right conservatives and the neocons that embrace liberal internationalism.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

#90

Post by [deleted] »

rayiner wrote: post #68
solid_fuel wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Presumably the conservatives still want the US to be a superpower, I used to think that too, but it seems evident the current crop of conservatives is only interested in hurting people they don’t like and funneling money into the pockets of oligarchs. It’s pretty evident now that none of this is being done out of patriotism or a genuine desire to improve America.

> hurting people they don’t like > genuine desire to improve America We think these are related, just like you do. The difference is that you assume that hurting billionaires will improve America while we assume that hurting NGOs and postmodernist academics will do so. And that difference results from the fact that you think you can construct a new society without billionaires and industrialists that nonetheless offe…

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