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Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by gr_norm »

rayiner wrote: post #66
gr_norm wrote: post #56

You and people you know will lead worse and less fulfilling lives due to this. You, or someone you love, will likely die of causes that would have been preventable without this destruction of domestic science. Academic culture undoubtedly needed reform, but this evisceration bent on shortsighted retribution will help absolutely nobody.

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That is an enormous budget cut; it is exactly an evisceration. And the general trend is to cut both science and its application. Trials for life-saving treatments _by biotech companies attempting to commercialize them_ are being halted or cancelled due to the science cuts and general corruption.

Many people have many complaints; many should be ignored. There's lots of money (and indeed, huge market incentive) to commercialize potentially successful science, and as such it has been done consistently. Curiosity-driven science must feed it, and the idea that it does not unambiguously benefit society at large, with extreme and breathtaking return on investment, is a fantasy perpetuated by those susceptible to the idiotic culture war.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by pstuart »

ck2 wrote: post #64
pstuart wrote: post #55

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They say they care about spending but ignore DOD financial shenanigans, which implies it's not about spending and only about what they like.

has nothing to do with money, it's about destroying science and medicine president burns $2 million in federal funds almost every weekend golfing https://DidTrumpGolfToday.com he took $100 million from park funds for his own birthday party he just ransacked the nuclear missile maintenance program for almost a BILLION dollars to refurbish a half-billion dollar plane which he intends to keep somehow despite wildly ille…

Preach, brother. I'm saying that the GOP frames the cuts as "saving taxpayer money" vs the obvious "we hate science because it consistently proves that we're lying to you".

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by solid_fuel »

rayiner wrote: post #68
solid_fuel wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Presumably the conservatives still want the US to be a superpower, I used to think that too, but it seems evident the current crop of conservatives is only interested in hurting people they don’t like and funneling money into the pockets of oligarchs. It’s pretty evident now that none of this is being done out of patriotism or a genuine desire to improve America.

> hurting people they don’t like > genuine desire to improve America We think these are related, just like you do. The difference is that you assume that hurting billionaires will improve America while we assume that hurting NGOs and postmodernist academics will do so. And that difference results from the fact that you think you can construct a new society without billionaires and industrialists that nonetheless offe…

> We think these are related, just like you do.

Oh, we're all well aware that you think hurting people is the only way to improve the country.

> The difference is that you assume that hurting billionaires will improve America while we assume that hurting NGOs and postmodernist academics will do so.

Don't you know that lying is a sin? You can't even define "postmodernist". No. I've heard this screeching noise you're making many times but it always boils down to the same truth: you don't believe in hurting "postmodernist academics", you believe in hurting people who aren't straight, white, christians.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by voxl »

rayiner wrote: post #68
solid_fuel wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Presumably the conservatives still want the US to be a superpower, I used to think that too, but it seems evident the current crop of conservatives is only interested in hurting people they don’t like and funneling money into the pockets of oligarchs. It’s pretty evident now that none of this is being done out of patriotism or a genuine desire to improve America.

> hurting people they don’t like > genuine desire to improve America We think these are related, just like you do. The difference is that you assume that hurting billionaires will improve America while we assume that hurting NGOs and postmodernist academics will do so. And that difference results from the fact that you think you can construct a new society without billionaires and industrialists that nonetheless offe…

Oh you mean like funding science? Dumbass.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by rayiner »

gr_norm wrote: post #71
rayiner wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That is an enormous budget cut; it is exactly an evisceration. And the general trend is to cut both science and its application. Trials for life-saving treatments _by biotech companies attempting to commercialize them_ are being halted or cancelled due to the science cuts and general corruption. Many people have many complaints; many should be ignored. There's lots of money (and indeed, huge market incentive) to comm…

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Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by rayiner »

voxl wrote: post #70
rayiner wrote: post #66

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Why is government research doing what the industry should be. The point of government research is to enable people to work on things without requiring some economical impact. The fact you just happily ignore the political situation and the fact this is CLEARLY anti intellectual bullshit says all that needs to be said about you.

> Why is government research doing what the industry should be

The government does plenty of applied research in conjunction with industry. E.g. DARPA.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by solid_fuel »

rayiner wrote: post #66
gr_norm wrote: post #56

You and people you know will lead worse and less fulfilling lives due to this. You, or someone you love, will likely die of causes that would have been preventable without this destruction of domestic science. Academic culture undoubtedly needed reform, but this evisceration bent on shortsighted retribution will help absolutely nobody.

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Your entire ass is showing here, liar.

You claim that the cuts aren't actually harmful then turn around and clarify that it's good to hurt people: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48636815 that's how it is obvious to everyone here that you aren't even trying to engage in good faith.

The linked comment:

>> hurting people they don’t like

>> genuine desire to improve America

> We think these are related, just like you do. The difference is that you assume that hurting billionaires will improve America while we assume that hurting NGOs and postmodernist academics will do so.

> And that difference results from the fact that you think you can construct a new society without billionaires and industrialists that nonetheless offers the prosperity we have today, and more. By contrast, we think the way to get more prosperity is to do more of the things that made America prosperous in the past.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by rayiner »

voxl wrote: post #74
rayiner wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hurting people they don’t like > genuine desire to improve America We think these are related, just like you do. The difference is that you assume that hurting billionaires will improve America while we assume that hurting NGOs and postmodernist academics will do so. And that difference results from the fact that you think you can construct a new society without billionaires and industrialists that nonetheless offe…

Oh you mean like funding science? Dumbass.

This is funding science. Literally just reallocating funding from one part of the pipeline to another.

Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by rayiner »

solid_fuel wrote: post #73
rayiner wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hurting people they don’t like > genuine desire to improve America We think these are related, just like you do. The difference is that you assume that hurting billionaires will improve America while we assume that hurting NGOs and postmodernist academics will do so. And that difference results from the fact that you think you can construct a new society without billionaires and industrialists that nonetheless offe…

> We think these are related, just like you do. Oh, we're all well aware that you think hurting people is the only way to improve the country. > The difference is that you assume that hurting billionaires will improve America while we assume that hurting NGOs and postmodernist academics will do so. Don't you know that lying is a sin? You can't even define "postmodernist". No. I've heard this screeching noise you're m…

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Re: NSF slashes research programs to support new tech initiative, insiders say

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Post by TimorousBestie »

rayiner wrote: post #67
TimorousBestie wrote: post #4

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Yeah, this is all well-attested. It’s so weird. Presumably the conservatives still want the US to be a superpower, which presumably includes high-tech capabilities like global power projection, missile defense, and persistent space operations. At the same time they seemingly want a Cultural Revolution-like decimation of intellectuals. I don’t see how they believe they can attain both objectives at once.

The assumption is that the people in the universities who can build missiles can pretty easily be distinguished from those who can’t.

Anyone with a bare understanding of the history of science would understand how bad of an assumption that is.

You specifically have the much harder problem of explaining how you intend to maintain tech dominance with a Cultural Revolution and also without any foreigners or any of the many various groups of citizens you find personally undesirable.

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