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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by fwlr » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 4:13 PM UTC

rafterydj wrote: post #194

fwlr wrote: post #163

As Casey Muratori likes to say, “My superpower is that I’m old, so I remember when computers used to be fast.”

Man, I've really been falling into his stuff. So refreshing to hear someone speak from a perspective of care. It's good for my soul in this world of slop.

I highly recommend consuming Casey Muratori content, particularly if it’s blue shirt Casey standing in a black void with yellow handwriting. Those are his high-production serious lectures, and they’re worth every minute. (It took me a while to find his YouTube channel because it’s called “MollyRocket”.)

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by nxc18 » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 4:14 PM UTC

someguyiguess wrote: post #134

shevy-java wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point they gave up on quality control. Not sure why but things went downhill at Microsoft years ago already. With the rise of AI slop and Microsoft turning into microslop, this trend just became amplified.

Yes. That point in time was long before AI. Remember Longhorn/Vista? Windows ME? Etc, etc…

They fired all of their SDET, eliminated the SDET role/discipline, and made SDEs responsible for quality and shipping their features, a major conflict of interest.

This happened ~2014/2015.

https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/how-microsoft-doe...

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by kalleboo » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 4:15 PM UTC

Joe_Cool wrote: post #164

someguyiguess wrote: post #138

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The calculator in Windows 11 still takes several seconds to load for me.

Probably a cache thing. Win11 precaches a lot of stuff if you hover over it or have excess RAM. It's not as smart as SuperFetch and ReadyBoost (with an HDD) was but it's still doing similar things.

How big is the calculator app on Windows 11 that you need to cache it in RAM? On macOS, the calculator app is 6 MB. And that's containing both x64 and ARM code. How long does it take a modern SSD (6 GB/s?) to read that?

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by Barbing » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 4:15 PM UTC

Jakob wrote: post #141

zchrykng wrote: post #103

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Got an example of a well-implemented natice app for email? I'm bugged by some bugs with the Fastmail app, but have generally had a better experience with it than any other client I've tried. Search in particular is far better on the Fastmail app.

I really like Mimestream, which is a native client for Gmail. Very fast and supports all the usual native macOS keyboard navigation, e.g. shift or command to amend selection in a list.

It’s really tempting - uses their API for that speed.

I’m worried Google won’t like it someday. It’s such a hassle if they shut you off that I want to seem like the most normal user to them. Pay Mimestream, skip ads, avoid Gmail app telemetry… any incentive for Google to permit it longterm? (Like maybe you’d switch to Fastmail if they killed Mimestream… or maybe not!)

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by Melatonic » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 4:16 PM UTC

Even the damn Artemis astronauts on the way to the moon had to call home to troubleshoot Outlook

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by yoyohello13 » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 4:19 PM UTC

beart wrote: post #25

netsharc wrote: post #5

Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

As slow as Windows is (very), once you start adding the corporate security tools on top of it (Crowdstrike) and have to deal with a slow and buggy corporate DNS system, it just becomes unusable. The only way I can do anything timely now is through WSL.

Yeah, I'm worried about the day when infosec turns it's eye toward WSL. So far they have turned a blind eye, but just wait until someone cooks up an exploit targeting WSL...

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by Barbing » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 4:19 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #108

zchrykng wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got an example of a well-implemented natice app for email? I'm bugged by some bugs with the Fastmail app, but have generally had a better experience with it than any other client I've tried. Search in particular is far better on the Fastmail app.

> Got an example of a well-implemented natice app for email? Mail.app isn't total shit. It's not great. But it doesn't fumble the basics, like Outlook for Mac, which thinks it's fine to take like 10s to show me my inbox.

Why does it seem to take so long to get & read one new email?

I can use get new mail or synchronize in Mail.app, but always spoiled by the instantaneous Gmail app notification. Often don’t have patience to wait for Mail.app for 2FA codes (just OCR or manually type from the Gmail notification mirrored on Mac).

Also should back up a bulk of ancient emails clogging the app, might be partially my fault.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by pishpash » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 4:20 PM UTC

thewebguyd wrote: post #202

vladvasiliu wrote: post #63

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IME running the new outlook in an actual web browser (through outlook.office.com) is waaay faster than the heavy (heh) client. Bonus points for it running fine on Linux, too. I understand there are some missing features compared to the old one (can't recall which), but for basic corpo emailing it works perfectly for me. I now have 0 reasons to use Windows at work, so, for once, I'll nonironically cheer MS for a job w…

> I understand there are some missing features compared to the old one There are some people that use Outlook for...well I'm not sure what but things that go way beyond email and calendar. I've been using the web app for several years now, it's fine. When I was new in IT, I always struggled to see what the big deal was with Outlook desktop. The web mail has folders, rules, shared mailbox support, integrated calendar,…

More like email became stripped down and no longer what it was. Mailboxes were always a permanent data store, there were mail files on disk.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by y-c-o-m-b » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 4:21 PM UTC

netsharc wrote: post #5

Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

I can't even start notepad.exe since upgrading to 11. It complains about a missing DLL. I'm only down to a few pieces of daily-driver software that I absolutely need a non-VM Windows installation for. Once I migrate from those, it'll be a full switch to Linux for me. I've hated Microsoft with a passion for far too long

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by financetechbro » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 4:21 PM UTC

New outlook also pre loads ads and it takes a few seconds for the paid verification to go through before the ads go away. Very frustrating clicking on the first email at load time only to realize it is an ad. Just the icing on the sh*t cake.