At this rate, local llm will be banned. Hope we have the torrents and archives ready
Not really, and it distracts from the real cause. The ban is incentivized by where the data is going, not the use of models.
US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
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Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#472Earlier quoted context omitted.
In terms of price-to-productivity, nothing will beat DeepSeek right now. For what you have described, all of the existing frontier models will perform well (probably about the same even). If you expanded the list to very hard research tasks, Fable was so far ahead of the others that it doesn't even deserve debate. If you are a researcher doing something involving scientific computation or mathematics that wasn't reje…
Makes me wonder what the value of a PhD is.
Makes me wonder what the value of a human on a PhD course is
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#473The US is slowly becoming more like China. From talks of nationalizing companies to make US state owned entities to banning foreign competition. It's just so strange how you become the thing you fear.
> talks of nationalizing companies What is this referring to?
I was referring to the US government buying a 10% stake in Intel and the ideas being floated of further investment in Intel and other companies by the Trump admin.
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> You should wish your country to be more like Taiwan or South Korea. Or Singapore. Total fertility rate for all of those countries is close to 1.0, including China's. They are dying societies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fer... suggests Chad and Somalia and DR Congo are the most vibrant societies by that metric. You might want to compare Singapore with a city like NYC or London, not with a territorial state. It's pretty normal around the world for cities to be replenished mainly by people moving in. (Of course, to be fair you then also need to compare GDP per capita against oth…
What if you omit states that depend on welfare?
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#475Earlier quoted context omitted.
> talks of nationalizing companies What is this referring to?
https://apnews.com/article/bernie-sanders-ai-public-ownershi...
Not just Sander, Trump expressed his wish to exchange concessions and privileges for share in AI labs, too. Which is IMO even more problematic.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#476So this is the other side of banning American models for non-Americans? And how exactly do they plan on enforcing all of this? Great Firewall of America? This is a complete joke. The malicious clowns behind this should be removed from power and prevented from ever holding any position of power in any form of governance system.
> And how exactly do they plan on enforcing all of this? Great Firewall of America?
That's what Cloudflare will be for.
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I think the next step is for China to start selling Huawei (and other) GPUs around the world, because everyone appreciates the risk of giving either of the two superpowers their data. The US is no longer in a position to pressure other countries to bad imports from Chinese companies. This is the beginning end of the hyperscaler era, not a shift from US hyperscalers to Chinese hyperscalers. Taking Nvidia's extremely l…
Software ecosystem aside, their hardware is inferior to NVDA/TSMC's and will remain so. And even if it wasn't, China just doesn't have the fab capacity to both meet domestic demand and export enough to hurt demand for NVDA.
They're behind, but they're catching up pretty quickly. I wouldn't bet against Chinese companies dominating this market in the medium to long term.
Nvidia could easily end up being the Tesla vs Huawei as BYD.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#478Why would my country blacklist DeepSeek? Perhaps crazy lunacy like: "Your product is too good and too inexpensive: consumers like US companies and individuals need to pay more for services."
I'm interested if this is a tactic from Chinese side to undermine competition by subsidizing this price dumping.
How it’s price dumping if they give you the model to run free on your own hardware? Follow this logic, are not all OSS price dumping and should be blocked as well? I remember Steve Ballmer once called for that!
I’m pretty sure the digital lords like that proposal a lot. Not so much about the serfs themselves, though.
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#479I use DeepSeek every day (via VSCode Insiders and Zed Editor). It's very affordable and, while it's slightly behind Claude (not sure how far behind Fable), it suits my working style well. I'm not using unsupervised multi-agent workflows and don't need a library of skills files - I'm writing most of the code and leaning on AI to help with mundane tasks - like; - generating types for APIs - generating boilerplate based…
In terms of price-to-productivity, nothing will beat DeepSeek right now. For what you have described, all of the existing frontier models will perform well (probably about the same even). If you expanded the list to very hard research tasks, Fable was so far ahead of the others that it doesn't even deserve debate. If you are a researcher doing something involving scientific computation or mathematics that wasn't reje…
This was my experience too. I asked fable to implement a (quite complex, novel) CRDT engine. It did fantastic work for the 3 days I had access to it. The spec it wrote is exactly what I want. It used prototypes and examples to figure out some hard problems and answer a lot of complex design questions. Claude Opus has been lumbering along over the last week trying to turn what it did into a useful library. As far as I can tell, by trying to vibe together pieces of work fable did without understanding it properly. Opus makes mistakes constantly, misunderstands the spec, and it makes terrible engineering decisions. Earlier today it claimed it proved something was impossible. I asked it to think that through and it immediately backtracked and apologized. Was it right then, or is it right now? Claude has no clue.
I'm kicking myself for not using Fable more while I had it. Now that I've used fable, I'm not sure I even want opus any more. It might be more efficient in the medium term to just program everything myself until I have access to a similarly capable model.
I feel like Deepseek, opus, etc are only good at problems that have already been solved 100 times on github. They're like the iPhone 3G. Its exciting they exist at all. But subsequent versions make them seem like cheap junk.
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It's just my general impression. They banned China from the ISS, China made their own space station. China's making their own x86 chips, their own GPUs. As a fellow wheel reinventer, I admire their audacity. It's the sort of thing that makes me wish my country was like China.
> It's the sort of thing that makes me wish my country was like China. PR China is still pretty poor (around 31k$ gdp per capita adjusted for purchasing power) and its growth has lost a bit of steam recently. You should wish your country to be more like Taiwan or South Korea. Or Singapore.
I think the PPP calculations may suffer from the same problem as the USA inflation rate being nominally low. Housing, food and medicine are all ludicrously cheap outside of tier 1 cities.