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Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by AlexandrB »

hamdingers wrote: post #143
danudey wrote: post #94

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> If you insist on giving me a fake email, your business is probably a liability I don't want anyway It's not a fake e-mail, it's a legitimate e-mail that you can send e-mail to and the user will receive, which has to be created by a paying iCloud user and not an anonymous rando off the internet. I'd be interested to know what downsides, if any, you see for a website to accept a private e-mail address like this. Do y…

I'm curious what you think the difference is between "a paying iCloud user" and "an anonymous rando off the internet." How many Apple gift cards do you reckon get sent to fraudsters every day? Decades worth of iCloud+ surely. I'm running a business where I need to know who you are, because my platform can be used defraud other people. If you're trying to hide who you are from our very first interaction, that's a mass…

> If you're trying to hide who you are from our very first interaction, that's a massive red flag.

If you're trying to collect personal information that's none of your business from the very first interaction, that's a massive red flag. Like how many data leaks and customer data exposures is it going to take to understand that the data I'm giving you is a liability for me? How much spam am I expected to put up with because you give my data to a "data broker" for one reason or another? Why should I trust anything you say regarding how you will handle my data after all the embarrassing fuck-ups over the years? What is your liability if you mishandle my data, is it approximately $0? Do you have an arbitration clause in your TOS so I can't even sue you when you screw up?

There's zero responsibility from the tech industry for their continued failures in this regard and then you have the temerity to lecture me about my "red flag"? Seriously?

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by kodt »

thfuran wrote: post #156
LordDragonfang wrote: post #77

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If you mean "set up an equivalent service" under your own domain, that's both less private and more likely to be blocked; there are a lot of services which, unfortunately, only allow sign-ups from big, well-known domains.

>there are a lot of services which, unfortunately, only allow sign-ups from big, well-known domains. I have never encountered one.

Popular gaming forums NeoGaf and Resetera only allow signups from paid email accounts. All free and temporary email providers are banned to discourage trolls / forum raids / alt accounts.

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Post by Ferret7446 »

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #241
al_borland wrote: post #60

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I think Reddit falls under this category. > If your website will block me out because I used a privacy friendly email, I want nothing to do with your website.

Reddit doesn't even require an email address to make an account. You can just leave the email field blank.

But it does require a valid phone number which is worse.

(I might be misremembering but they definitely require a valid something now, as I found out a while back creating a new batch of accounts to rotate)

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by calvinmorrison »

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #240
calvinmorrison wrote: post #66

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Essentially too bad. Look at the parkmobile disaster.

The what?

basically you have to use parkmobile in many places unless you carry literally rolls full of quarters due to the depreciation of the USD, some places dont even have machines anymore. ParkMobile is a moneygrabbing operation that municipalities use to run their parking stuff - yay saas. They got hacked and leaked everyones phone numbers, license plates, history, and more.

The settlement in court was - you got I believe a $1.00 coupon to use parkmobile again - but you could only use .50 towards each transaction

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by Ferret7446 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #256
janc_ wrote: post #244

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The + has no special meaning in the standards, and thus removing it will just result in invalid addresses in many cases…

Doesn't matter. Most email services[1] use it the way Gmail does and spam is a numbers game. Losing a few valid addresses is worth correlating all those other addresses for most spammers. Standards only matter to nerds like us. [1] https://proton.me/blog/what-is-email-alias#5

Except plus address users are also less likely to be receptive to spam, so it's probably better to just not bother

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by janc_ »

cube00 wrote: post #114
shoo_pl wrote: post #108

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The problem is if someone figures it out and starts sending you spam to {random}@domain.tld. That's when you will need to sit down and start creating actual aliases for all those used email addresses and stop the catch-all forwarding:) Also, another downside is that you will loose privacy by using your own domain. And the lack of privacy makes targeted scam/phishing more likely, and targeted scam is the one we are mo…

I've found using a subdomain helps with that, spammers will try everything@domain.tld but won't bother trying to brute force subdomains. However be warned some surprisingly large websites don't support subdomains, for example eBay will silently send user@sub.domain.tld to user@domain.tld and you'll only figure it out by looking at your server logs for rejected mail. In those cases I have to specifically alias that us…

Why would anyone entrust money to a company like eBay if they are this incompetent at something as simple as e-mail?

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Post by obmelvin »

drnick1 wrote: post #65
muse900 wrote: post #24

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Yes but not always applicable unfortunately… e.g. the other day I was in Italy, I needed to park on the publicly available parking which was paid to the municipality. No other parking available anywhere near in 30 mins walking distance. (paid or free) I had to download a 3rd party app that asked me to register. This app isn’t by the Italian government, it’s affiliated though. So in that situation, I want nothing to d…

Can you not pay with cash or card anywhere? What if you don't have a "smart" phone? I would categorically refuse to park anywhere that requires running a proprietary app on my device. Fortunately, in the States at least, I have not encountered such a place yet.

Physical machines can be confusing too :)

When I was in Italy last summer, I couldn't figure out how to pay with my card at the machine in a small town, where you'd park to walk into an ancient city on a hill*. I asked two Italian woman for help and even with being able to read the Italian + having paid with coins themselves, they struggled to help me understand the combination of steps required to pay with card.

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Post by rTX5CMRXIfFG »

muse900 wrote: post #24
giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

If your website will block me out because I used a privacy friendly email, I want nothing to do with your website.

Yes but not always applicable unfortunately… e.g. the other day I was in Italy, I needed to park on the publicly available parking which was paid to the municipality. No other parking available anywhere near in 30 mins walking distance. (paid or free) I had to download a 3rd party app that asked me to register. This app isn’t by the Italian government, it’s affiliated though. So in that situation, I want nothing to d…

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create a burner for when ‘not always applicable unfortunately’

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by anakaine »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #269
muse900 wrote: post #24

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Yes but not always applicable unfortunately… e.g. the other day I was in Italy, I needed to park on the publicly available parking which was paid to the municipality. No other parking available anywhere near in 30 mins walking distance. (paid or free) I had to download a 3rd party app that asked me to register. This app isn’t by the Italian government, it’s affiliated though. So in that situation, I want nothing to d…

tutanota.com protonmail.com create a burner for when ‘not always applicable unfortunately’

Ive bumped into these been banned too. Apples temp addresses worked well where these didnt.
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