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Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by x0x0 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

If your website will block me out because I used a privacy friendly email, I want nothing to do with your website.

I used to run a hybrid mobile app + webapp company.

Private emails regularly lead to awful customer service interactions because people cannot tell us the email they used to register. Fastmail at least is off the beaten path enough that people probably can understand. Apple, especially using sign in with Apple, is horrid. And not just people unable to tell us the email; they then create multiple accounts; try to sign in on web and use their actual email and then have 2 accounts and flip shit that their stuff is gone; etc. Oh, and regularly blame us for their confusion.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by technothrasher »

jjice wrote: post #27
Razengan wrote: post #20

Oh fuck. I love Hide My Email and it's been the best feature about iCloud ever since it came out. It's actually useful compared to Gmail's useless "yourrealaddress+alais" that gives away your actual email anyway, and it helped me catch quite a few spammers/data sellers. Hide My Email addresses already have a peculiar format that others could guess, and some do block those, and there's no reason to add a blatant "priv…

FWIW it's not a gmail thing for privacy, but rather just part of the email spec. RFC 5233 talks about it. https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5233/

It all dates back to the Andrew Messaging System at CMU, developed in the 1980's. Originally the format was "++@example.net" where the mail server would interpret the keyword and arguments to route the message in whatever unique way that keyword would dictate (e.g. bob+dist+~/mailinglist@example.net would read the file mailinglist in Bob's home directory and deliver the email to addresses listed in it). If the keyword was not recognized, it would just deliver normally. So bob@example.net and bob+alias@example.net were equivalent, and could be used to filter after the fact if desired.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by SXX »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #18

email isn't really a decentralized system at all. Google, Microsoft and Amazon own e-mail delivery. Perhaps Google ads customers complained that they could not correlated private @icloud addresses, and we are now witnessing the consequences. What Apple got in exchange from Google, I don't know, I'm sure it is related to their Siri deal.

Come on. Most likely this is just a result of some manager pushing for "improvement": "Why we have two different privacy email alias systems? Lets make unified one, save on maintenace and I get promotion".

And might be there just no one remain as owner of feature to explain them why its bad idea.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by c7b »

jawiggins wrote: post #8

> If you use iCloud+ and Hide My Email, there is still time to generate more aliases on @icloud.com as the change has not yet landed and the rate limit for creating aliases is at least 30 per hour. Part of the reason to use Hide My Email was that it made keeping myself private hassle-free. Making a system to pre-generate values and then catalog them for later use is quite the hassle.

If you don't mind trusting another company with forwarding your emails, it's definitely less hassle to set up an equivalent service for yourself.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by drnick1 »

muse900 wrote: post #24
giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

If your website will block me out because I used a privacy friendly email, I want nothing to do with your website.

Yes but not always applicable unfortunately… e.g. the other day I was in Italy, I needed to park on the publicly available parking which was paid to the municipality. No other parking available anywhere near in 30 mins walking distance. (paid or free) I had to download a 3rd party app that asked me to register. This app isn’t by the Italian government, it’s affiliated though. So in that situation, I want nothing to d…

Can you not pay with cash or card anywhere? What if you don't have a "smart" phone? I would categorically refuse to park anywhere that requires running a proprietary app on my device. Fortunately, in the States at least, I have not encountered such a place yet.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by calvinmorrison »

drnick1 wrote: post #65
muse900 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but not always applicable unfortunately… e.g. the other day I was in Italy, I needed to park on the publicly available parking which was paid to the municipality. No other parking available anywhere near in 30 mins walking distance. (paid or free) I had to download a 3rd party app that asked me to register. This app isn’t by the Italian government, it’s affiliated though. So in that situation, I want nothing to d…

Can you not pay with cash or card anywhere? What if you don't have a "smart" phone? I would categorically refuse to park anywhere that requires running a proprietary app on my device. Fortunately, in the States at least, I have not encountered such a place yet.

Essentially too bad. Look at the parkmobile disaster.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by keane »

tehwebguy wrote: post #26
Cider9986 wrote: post #22

Determined sites could already easily do this. Just detect the patterns used. I agree it's a useless change though. heave_balks_0g@icloud.com It shouldn't matter for the sign in with apple because sites are already expressly supporting that. Email aliasing is hard because you want privacy from a herd of users, but then you're locked into that ecosystem versus a domain you control has no herd, but the upside is no loc…

> Determined sites could already easily do this They already DO do it, I don't know how they're currently determining it

I think the NYT might be one detecting them which is funny because their editorial staff have promoted the use of aliases.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by cassianoleal »

drnick1 wrote: post #65
muse900 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but not always applicable unfortunately… e.g. the other day I was in Italy, I needed to park on the publicly available parking which was paid to the municipality. No other parking available anywhere near in 30 mins walking distance. (paid or free) I had to download a 3rd party app that asked me to register. This app isn’t by the Italian government, it’s affiliated though. So in that situation, I want nothing to d…

Can you not pay with cash or card anywhere? What if you don't have a "smart" phone? I would categorically refuse to park anywhere that requires running a proprietary app on my device. Fortunately, in the States at least, I have not encountered such a place yet.

In the UK, I believe parking companies need to have a way to pay without the app but it's usually so bloody inconvenient that it's about the same as requiring it.
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