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Post by postalrat »

alecco wrote: post #99
easygenes wrote: post #75

Announcement from the founder of Z.ai: “ GLM-5.2 is Fully Open, Frontier Intelligence Belongs to Everyone Today, the sudden restriction of certain frontier models is deeply regrettable. At a time when access to frontier models is abruptly cut off for non-technical reasons, we are even more convinced of one thing: science should be global. The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by hig…

> GLM-5.2 is Fully Open Is this just open weights or also open source/data?

It's just the important part

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Post by byw »

LaurensBER wrote: post #103
Reubend wrote: post #38

Seems like there's no official blog post with benchmark results yet. But I'm once again thankful for the Chinese AI labs for being open with their work and contributing it to the world under permissive licenses like this. The Fable 5 fiasco is just another reminder of how valuable these things are to have.

Based on my first impressions it's about 6 months behind the frontier labs. So very similar to Opus in January. That is, pretty damn impressive and very useable. When it comes to architecture or complex problems it does noticeable worse but I don't think anyone expected anything else. One particular interesting strong point seems to be design and user interfaces. It does seem to punch above it's weight there but that…

> Opus in January

So pre-nerf Opus?

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Post by wgd »

sgc wrote: post #172
wgd wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GLM-5 series is 744B-A40B. This is not a local model for any reasonable definition of local, but it's an open model which means (once they upload the weights in a week or so) there will be a dozen third-party inference providers competing on price per token.

As far as I can tell this type of model requires 640GB+ of memory using FP8. So likely can be run using 320GB+ memory if using FP4 or similar. So that would be 3 Nvidia DGX Sparks, or 12k of hardware. Is that correct? If so, it could make perfect sense for a small business.

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Post by nozzlegear »

everforward wrote: post #197
zhoujing204 wrote: post #164

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Pretty much every large Chinese company has state capital baked into it, and these companies will follow the Chinese government's orders 100%. Don't believe anything a Chinese company says about being "open" or "for everyone." Backing any large Chinese company effectively means backing the Chinese government and its oppression in Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong—and maybe soon Taiwan, Southeast Asia, and elsewhere around t…

The Anthropic news is demonstrating much the same; fall in line or eat export controls. There was a time I would have agreed with you, but these days even as an American I fail to see a difference. China is probably less likely to try to disenfranchise or imprison me, to be honest.

> There was a time I would have agreed with you, but these days even as an American I fail to see a difference.

I don't get it, the person you're replying to didn't mention the US at all – there was no distinction being drawn, and they weren't asserting that American models are better or more resistant to government censorship. It's possible to agree with them about Chinese models without expatiating on why American models are bad too.

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Post by alexwwang »

paulddraper wrote: post #147
alexwwang wrote: post #136

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I think maybe it’s a tool and it’s up to you to make use of tools to try to let more Chinese people know and convince them to believe your idea. Don’t blame a tool but make proper use of it to make a better world.

Huh?

If you know what Chinese are suffering mentally, you may understand why I say so. Criticize a model is not the smart way to against a system.

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Post by Eridrus »

Reubend wrote: post #38

Seems like there's no official blog post with benchmark results yet. But I'm once again thankful for the Chinese AI labs for being open with their work and contributing it to the world under permissive licenses like this. The Fable 5 fiasco is just another reminder of how valuable these things are to have.

Releasing a model without benchmarks seems to say the model is probably bad...

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Post by jacker39 »

shimman wrote: post #105
yieldcrv wrote: post #54

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I don't consider mainland aspects to be "examples of their ideological system working for the world", it works for urban areas in China and I don't really see their foreign investment to be doing that, I think it complements what the West has done and has high impact in areas that the West ignores or hasn't taken seriously for investment, only a history of pillaging and subsequently aid their ideological system - usu…

If you can't appreciate or understand what a substantial effort it was to reduce poverty in China, then you aren't a serious person worth paying attention to. It's literally the economic question of the century and something we should seriously study because we have the potential to lift the entire world out of poverty too.

It's really not that complicated. The government banned people from trading causing extreme poverty and famine in one of the most fertile areas in the world. Then they reversed the ban and let Chinese people trade again. At the same time western companies setup factories in China causing massive capital inflows.

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Post by nozzlegear »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #232
zhoujing204 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much every large Chinese company has state capital baked into it, and these companies will follow the Chinese government's orders 100%. Don't believe anything a Chinese company says about being "open" or "for everyone." Backing any large Chinese company effectively means backing the Chinese government and its oppression in Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong—and maybe soon Taiwan, Southeast Asia, and elsewhere around t…

Backing any large US company effectively means backing the US government and its worldwide oppression as well. I still can't get over the fact it was the land of the free who was the first to ban strong LLM models. If backing China helps undermine that nonsense then I'm afraid I'll take them up on their offer.

AI services are regulated by default in China, operators have to be pre-license their models to release them to the public. The Anthropic case wouldn't happen in China because China regulates the model and requires the company to register users with their phone number/national id number.

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Post by wmedrano »

zschallz wrote: post #95

Curious what people's experience is with these models. Anecdotally I tried these out earlier in the year and found it struggled with pretty basic full-stack coding I was doing, when Sonnet 4.6 and Haiku 4.5 didn't break a sweat. Was hoping to use it while my Claude usage was resetting but was disappointed.

Which specific models were you using?

In March I switched to Opencode + Kimi K2.5 and found it was a step behind. I switched to GLM 5.1 and has felt like a step above. Its probably some combination of me forgetting the baseline, model improvements, and OpenCode improvements.

$20 a month has been good enough for my coding use cases. I wouldn't call myself a vibe coder. Stuff I do is create graphs/visualizations, review, polish code, generate toy examples for learning.

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