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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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This smells like anti-competitive behavior, no? Amazon snitching to the government re: Anthropic doesn't seem particularly "open market" to me.

Amazon was the earliest large investor in Anthropic and has invested in them several times since then.

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I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings.

> I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings. Less than 1% of the population, that’s for sure. You remember the last protest about school shootings? Neither do I.

Well they happen in schools and children don’t vote. If this had been a wave of senior center shootings, something would have been done a long, long time ago.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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>This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes. Anthropic wasn't pushing back on enabling war crimes. They said they didn't want the models to work with autonomous weapons because the the models weren't good enough.

Whether you or me or Anthropic think it was pushing back or not is besides the point.

I can agree on revenge, but it's important to not paint it as a good vs evil when it isn't.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Just to put things in the right perspective to those who are not aware, Amazon heavily invests in Anthropic [0] and AWS is a partner on project Glasswing (Select companies that used Mythos to find critical vulnerabilities in major open source and critical infrastructure) [1] So I don't think there is anything sinister here, I would use Hanlon's razor [2] here... [0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-com…

To give you further perspective, Amazon has a $50B stake in OpenAI and a $5B stake in Anthropic.

If things were flipped, I highly doubt Amazon would be running straight to the feds.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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I feel obligated to ask: Is Jassy competent enough to argue for or against on anything here? I am willing to accept he has chops with AWS ( or at least hope he understands what he manages ), but my recent encounters with executive class and AI left me kinda depressed in terms of what they are trying to project and what they, clearly, don't know.

AWS isn’t broadly seen as credible in AI beyond commodity compute, but they are a shareholder here. Jassy missed the boat on LLMs quite badly and the only real angle he had left was to use Amazon’s cashflow to buy stakes and buy business for Trainium.

Did they miss it or are they careful to over invest, especially too early? Maybe their early bets in Anthropic were sized correctly since they’re making more money than all the other big tech investors in frontier labs.

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Maybe we can incorporate the children one by one in delaware and then people will care. On the plus side they will also then qualify for billions in government subsidies.

Won't matter if they're not publicly traded.

We could sell options on their future incomes, or taxes. An idea worth exploring. How can we encourage investment in future generations?

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That doesn't really make sense. If Amazon wanted to build hype, wouldn't they have talked publicly about this? What's the point of working hard on a hype strategy and then delivering it only in private to government officials?

The export ban exists to hype the capabilities of the much more expensive but only marginally better model.

The model that they can't currently sell at all because they don't have the capability to limit it to US persons?

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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post #185

Just to put things in the right perspective to those who are not aware, Amazon heavily invests in Anthropic [0] and AWS is a partner on project Glasswing (Select companies that used Mythos to find critical vulnerabilities in major open source and critical infrastructure) [1] So I don't think there is anything sinister here, I would use Hanlon's razor [2] here... [0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-com…

To give you further perspective, Amazon has a $50B stake in OpenAI and a $5B stake in Anthropic. If things were flipped, I highly doubt Amazon would be running straight to the feds.

$50B is <2% of Amazon's market cap. There is no reason to believe the difference in the two investments drove this disclosure.
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