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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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> None of these hyperscaler deals are $ for equity. As of Feb, Amazon held $45.8 billion of convertible notes and $14.8 billion of nonvoting preferred stock in Anthropic. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-ai-bet-anthropic-soar...

Yes OP is saying they didn’t pay all cash for those shares

So they dont care about it? How is that relevant?

If I have 5% of a company, I dont care if I traded services or cash for it.

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SSRIs are a first line treatment across many EU countries too, yet we somehow manage.

When I grew up in Germany, I had some pretty bad phases during my teens. I wonder if I had had easy access to guns together with lots of information and videos about shooters on the internet, maybe I would have thought about that too. I didn't have any of those so I sometimes thought about suicide but never about shooting others.

The US has a combination of SSRIs (maybe that's a factor, we don't know for sure), easy access to guns, gun culture, glorification of violence and vigilantism and over the last decades a lot of school shooters to imitate. Basically a ton of risk factors combined.

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I get what you’re saying but in the last 20 years can you think of any mass protest that accomplished anything substantial? I don’t really blame people for giving up on it as a tool for change. TBH only truly effective one I can think of would be Jan 6

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January Sixth was not a protest, it was an attempt to interfere with government processes to prevent Biden from being elected - so a really shitty attempt at a coup.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Given Amazon's fairly large equity stake in Anthropic, I really don't get their motivation. Anyone care to speculate?

they figured out taking fable off plans at 22/6 was a bad idea business wise so they maneuvered

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Just to put things in the right perspective to those who are not aware, Amazon heavily invests in Anthropic [0] and AWS is a partner on project Glasswing (Select companies that used Mythos to find critical vulnerabilities in major open source and critical infrastructure) [1]

So I don't think there is anything sinister here, I would use Hanlon's razor [2] here...

[0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-compute

[1] https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/building-ai-defenses-a...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

Why not both?

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People are doing something, the issue with you two's extremely poor thinking is that lack of inaction means no one cares. What it actually represents is the massive growing disparity between the political class and average Americans. There is >70% public support universal background checks for all firearm transactions, safe storage laws, and crisis intervention. Just the same that there is also large public support f…

I'm very sorry, but I've heard that "there's large public support for X, Y, Z" for decades. If there's no real action in achieving such things, my assumption is people don't actually care about it. Personally, when I "care about something", I try to act on it. My list is not long, and I'm very grateful that I don't have to spend a single minute of my life to think about school shootings.

You clearly missed the part about the divide between the political class and everyone else.

Most people in the US are just trying to pay rent and maybe one day save up for a house by the time they are 40-50.

If you don't see this you are either 1) making enough money you are part of the problem 2) don't actually live in the US so have a completely unmoored understanding of reality on the ground here

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government and now they are under their thumb for scrutiny of any and every little thing they do.

That's what this admin is known for. If you do even what a normal person would think is sane but they don't like it, well now they need to make you bow down and break you so you "learn your lesson".

It doesn't help that they themselves marketed this model as being especially dangerous in the publics hands. If this was just another model drop and none of the fear mongering I don't doubt this probably wouldn't have had any issues.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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I dont buy that Amazon activly tried to interfere with Anthropic while being one of the largest owners. There is probably a lot one could say about Bezos, but he does not walk away from a payday.

Just a small correction, Bezos is not Amazon CEO anymore. They meant Andy Jassy.
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