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Post by logicchains »

m-hodges wrote: post #74
logicchains wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> That's why school shootings pretty much never happened before the 1970s This claim is gonna need a lot more evidence.

Here's from Wikipedia all the mass shootings conducted by students prior to the 1970s. They're incredibly infrequent compared to the shootings of today,

March 26, 1893 – Plain Dealing, Louisiana (Plain Dealing High School): During an evening school dance, a fight broke out. Students fired shots, killing two immediately, fatally wounding two more, and injuring a professor (total: 4 killed, 1 wounded).

December 12, 1898 – Charleston, West Virginia: Young men (including students/former students in the context of a school exhibition) disrupted an event, leading to a brawl with gunfire. At least 6 killed (including students) and 4+ wounded in the chaos.

July 21, 1903 – Jackson, Kentucky (Cave Run School): Students James Barrett and Mack Howard dueled with pistols over a card game, killing each other; a 12-year-old bystander student was wounded (total: 2 killed, 1 wounded).

November 16, 1904 – Riverside, California (Indian School): A gunfight between pupils resulted in one student killed, another fatally wounded, and one wounded (total: 2 killed, 1 wounded).

October 8, 1950 – New Orleans, Louisiana (Booker T. Washington High School): Suspected gangsters (youths tied to students) fired on each other; 6 bystanders wounded.

May 5, 1956 – Seat Pleasant, Maryland (Maryland Park Junior High School): 15-year-old student Billy Ray Prevatte returned with a rifle after a reprimand and shot staff: 1 teacher killed, 2 injured (total: 3 victims).

October 17, 1961 – Denver, Colorado (Morey Junior High School): 14-year-old Tennyson Beard argued with a classmate, shot and wounded him, then fatally shot another student (total: 1 killed, 1–2 wounded).

October 5, 1966 – Grand Rapids, Minnesota (Grand Rapids High School): 15-year-old student David Black killed a school administrator and seriously wounded another student (total: 1 killed, 1 wounded).

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by Cider9986 »

EmoteSupportBot wrote: post #100
throwawaytea wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One infringes on a specific constitutional right. Also, this country would get even more dangerous without good citizens owning guns. IMO it's like herd immunity. Not everyone has guns. But the criminals don't know who does and who doesn't, so in a way they treat all homes as potentially being armed. Our criminals are already pretty care free, I can't imagine how much worse it would be if they KNEW no one was armed.

The brainwashing is truly staggering isn't it?

A waste of an aged account.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by iririririr »

itopaloglu83 wrote: post #54
timmg wrote: post #5

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... All models can do that. I wonder if they found Fable was significantly better at it.

Maybe the model found something Amazon didn't want to be known, and not necessarily a cyber vulnerability, but a particular way Amazon operates.

"find aws zero day. makes no mistakes"

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by yogthos »

cmiles8 wrote: post #93

It’s unclear what Jassy’s angle was here doing this. It’s pretty bad news for Anthropic though. They had built up some real momentum but am waking up this morning to nearly everyone I know outside the US shifting use off Anthropic. There is no loyalty or revenue stickiness here. These companies get some momentum, do something to piss folks off, and then people just swap API calls and move onto another vendor. It’s a…

I expect the blast radius will include every American service provider. The problem isn't exclusive to Anthropic, the same thing could happen with OpenAI tomorrow. Using American platforms is a huge business risk now and there's no putting toothpaste back in the tube here.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by [deleted] »

Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by shimman »

satvikpendem wrote: post #62
graphime wrote: post #42

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> Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next? No. Because us Americans don’t care about school shootings. I’d rather the government invest in S&P500 going higher. You overestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings in America.

Hate to say it but you're right. If people cared, they'd actually do something about it.

People are doing something, the issue with you two's extremely poor thinking is that lack of inaction means no one cares. What it actually represents is the massive growing disparity between the political class and average Americans.

There is >70% public support universal background checks for all firearm transactions, safe storage laws, and crisis intervention. Just the same that there is also large public support for things like public jobs programs, medicare for all, universal childcare, or free university; there is a very real obstacle that the political class in this country are adamant about stopping all progress towards better lives and not strictly caring that the elites extract more wealth or corporations get more welfare.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by dualvariable »

logicchains wrote: post #96
mapontosevenths wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything you said is here is wildly and completely inaccurate and seems to be based on fringe conspiracy theorist RFK Jr's thoroughly debunked lies. The exact opposite is true. Countries with the highest SSRI use have the lowest mass shooting rates. The evidence doesn't lie. Politicians do. https://www.factcheck.org/2025/10/rfk-jr-misleads-about-anti...

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> That's a stupid comparison because other countries have much less firearm ownership.

Okay, let's try being slightly less permissive in our firearm laws then, since you've just proven it works.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by yogthos »

gen220 wrote: post #7

Amazon is a large Anthropic shareholder (>5% of the cap table). I think it’s impossible to interpret the actions of their executives here without considering this information.

Amazon has a ton of internal politics just like any other large organization. It's entirely possible there's a faction that is trying to kneecap another faction within Amazon with this.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by m-hodges »

logicchains wrote: post #101
m-hodges wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's why school shootings pretty much never happened before the 1970s This claim is gonna need a lot more evidence.

Here's from Wikipedia all the mass shootings conducted by students prior to the 1970s. They're incredibly infrequent compared to the shootings of today, March 26, 1893 – Plain Dealing, Louisiana (Plain Dealing High School): During an evening school dance, a fight broke out. Students fired shots, killing two immediately, fatally wounding two more, and injuring a professor (total: 4 killed, 1 wounded). December 12, 189…

I wasn’t asking for evidence of the number of mass shootings. I was asking for evidence of “that’s why”.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by antinomicus »

throwawaytea wrote: post #82
blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

One infringes on a specific constitutional right. Also, this country would get even more dangerous without good citizens owning guns. IMO it's like herd immunity. Not everyone has guns. But the criminals don't know who does and who doesn't, so in a way they treat all homes as potentially being armed. Our criminals are already pretty care free, I can't imagine how much worse it would be if they KNEW no one was armed.

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