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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by altairprime »

satvikpendem wrote: post #64
dash2 wrote: post #34

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I mean, for most of the world that is not the gotcha you think it is…

It's not supposed to be a gotcha, it's supposed to be an example of the hypocrisy of the government.

Bad choice of example, then. Restricting things that are uniquely and critical to planning and executing school shootings is a highly desirable outcome for regulation, in the eyes of a society that desires its youth to grow up without constant threat of murder at their mandatory educational institutions. That desire is not particularly uniform in the U.S. right now, in contrast with much of the world. Choosing murder sprees as an example supports regulations that have societal safety benefits, which is the opposite of what was intended. Perhaps a different example might have the desired effect?

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by vntok »

Avicebron wrote: post #148
tokioyoyo wrote: post #124

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I'm very sorry, but I've heard that "there's large public support for X, Y, Z" for decades. If there's no real action in achieving such things, my assumption is people don't actually care about it. Personally, when I "care about something", I try to act on it. My list is not long, and I'm very grateful that I don't have to spend a single minute of my life to think about school shootings.

You clearly missed the part about the divide between the political class and everyone else. Most people in the US are just trying to pay rent and maybe one day save up for a house by the time they are 40-50. If you don't see this you are either 1) making enough money you are part of the problem 2) don't actually live in the US so have a completely unmoored understanding of reality on the ground here

Indeed, the more accurate way to say it is that people in the US don't care enough about mass school shootings to do something about it besides thought and prayers.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by nish__ »

blitzar wrote: post #73
graphime wrote: post #42

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> Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next? No. Because us Americans don’t care about school shootings. I’d rather the government invest in S&P500 going higher. You overestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings in America.

Maybe we can incorporate the children one by one in delaware and then people will care. On the plus side they will also then qualify for billions in government subsidies.

Won't matter if they're not publicly traded.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by throwaway85825 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #36
ezekg wrote: post #23

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Or they're trying to hype up an investment...

That doesn't really make sense. If Amazon wanted to build hype, wouldn't they have talked publicly about this? What's the point of working hard on a hype strategy and then delivering it only in private to government officials?

The export ban exists to hype the capabilities of the much more expensive but only marginally better model.

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Post by lavezzi »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #35

Amazon owns 5% of Anthropic. I doubt this is the outcome they wanted. This is the government trying to swing its dick around and kill Anthropic because they wouldn't allow mass domestic surveillance with their models. They're sending a message to the tech industry as well: "do as we say, or die." This is the result of decades of Congress abdicating power to the executive.

> This is the government trying to swing its dick around and kill Anthropic because they wouldn't allow mass domestic surveillance with their models.

Amodei has been calling for models to be regulated, so he got his wish.

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Post by [deleted] »

Cider9986 wrote: post #99
vrganj wrote: post #84

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Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

>This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes. Anthropic wasn't pushing back on enabling war crimes. They said they didn't want the models to work with autonomous weapons because the the models weren't good enough.

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by throwaway85825 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #13
vulcan01 wrote: post #12

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I think it's just to hype Anthropic. Check it out, we have products so dangerous the government banned them, we must be so advanced . (Their competitors cannot make such a claim.)

You think Dario called up Andy Jassy and told him "Hey, we're trying to get Fable banned, so can you please go talk to the government and tell them that they need to ban it"?

Yes and in a year they will ask for a government bailout because of the ban.

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Post by peyton »

Topfi wrote: post #123
throwaway-11-1 wrote: post #61

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I get what you’re saying but in the last 20 years can you think of any mass protest that accomplished anything substantial? I don’t really blame people for giving up on it as a tool for change. TBH only truly effective one I can think of would be Jan 6

I can, just not in the US [0]. I always presumed this is linked to the health care being provided by employers rather than having a more robust safety net that allows for civil disobedience without having to fear existential risks. However, I also can’t forget that the French have their safety net not as a God given right, but because they fought for it via (often not just civil) protest. Reference also the statement…

There are more people not on employer-provided health insurance in the US than exist in France. How does your presumption work given that fact?

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Post by nish__ »

SecretDreams wrote: post #63
tokioyoyo wrote: post #51

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Caring with no significant action in prevention doesn’t really signal caring. Sure, it sucks, headlines get printed for a couple of months, then people forget and move on. To put it in the most disrespectful and sad way, it looks like more people have been on the streets for Knicks games than most (any?) school shootings of the past decades.

It's just harder to get the average joe charged up to fight a battle with anything meaningful on the line. Americans are used to living relatively cushy lives where they don't sacrifice their QOL to make the lives of their countrymen better. The closest thing to that are people in the military, and it's probably been a while since the US military is improving QOL, on average. People will continue to be complacent on…

Enforcing the global use of the petro dollar is what keeps Americans living cushy lives so be careful disrespecting the military personel.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by mindslight »

throwaway85825 wrote: post #166
mindslight wrote: post #157

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There were like seven assailants, and the shot actually did hit one of them in the leg. This is what caused the others to retaliate. I don't think a shotgun would have helped. Unfortunately the incident was not a game of DOOM.

If anything that is an argument for extended magazines.

At a certain point numbers just don't work out that way. Being woken up in the middle of the night and facing seven alert and well-prepared attackers? Good luck.

The real problem is the corrupt politically-motivated DA who declined to even charge most of the perps. Only one of them got any jail time. The others are still out on our streets. Individual action can help mitigate, but it can't make up for the trend of politicians accepting and normalizing violent crime.

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