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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by Topfi »

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt.

Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the eyes of the government? Parameter count? Certain benchmark results? Training computer?

Cause if it’s just the ability to assist with cyberattacks and being jailbreakable, there is no model previously released that isn’t equally guilty.

Remember that for GPT 5.5 and 5.4, OpenAI also restricted the cybersecurity focused use under designated models, otherwise rerouting to 5.3-codex like Fable did with Opus 4.8. And both OpenAI models can also be jailbroken all the same.

Basically, what was the reason to tell the government now and not with Opus 4.5 or GPT 5.4? sama has been doing the rounds with apocalyptic predictions…

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by AtNightWeCode »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #35

Amazon owns 5% of Anthropic. I doubt this is the outcome they wanted. This is the government trying to swing its dick around and kill Anthropic because they wouldn't allow mass domestic surveillance with their models. They're sending a message to the tech industry as well: "do as we say, or die." This is the result of decades of Congress abdicating power to the executive.

WH is lying again of course. Has nothing to do with Amazon or security. Vengeance or trying to help SpaceX. Maybe WH did not like the bad stock price development after the IPO.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by blitzar »

graphime wrote: post #42
blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

> Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next? No. Because us Americans don’t care about school shootings. I’d rather the government invest in S&P500 going higher. You overestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings in America.

Maybe we can incorporate the children one by one in delaware and then people will care.

On the plus side they will also then qualify for billions in government subsidies.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by m-hodges »

logicchains wrote: post #69
blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

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> That's why school shootings pretty much never happened before the 1970s

This claim is gonna need a lot more evidence.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by nijave »

tonfa wrote: post #22
Lerc wrote: post #9

One of the things that I have come to trust the least in journalism is any WSJ story that says "people familiar with the matter said" Can anyone find another source for this?

What's the issue with WSJ? "people familiar with the matter" is standard lingo, means the journalist and editors have vetted the sources (multiple).

& many times the sources don't want to reveal their identity or go on record. A sort of tradeoff--to get the info they have to protect the source

"You may not talk to the media" is pretty standard language in US employee contracts so obviously these people don't want to fireable offenses on the front page of the newspaper.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by tiahura »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #26
aaronrobinson wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Begs the question why they didn’t present that info to Anthropic directly and if they did why they didn’t act

It does. Anthropic mentions ( https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access ) they consider jailbreaks that "provide no Mythos-specific uplift" to be minor findings; perhaps they couldn't agree on what kinds of capabilities were unlocked by the jailbreak Amazon found.

Very questionable and tone deaf response from Anthropic. Irrelevant whether it’s specific to Mythos or Haiku. Dario seems to be looking for an exit.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by kubb »

breppp wrote: post #68
kubb wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crazy to think that people in some places in the world work for $2 per day. Jailbraking fable is economically equivalent to the labor of a thousand people.

Wait until you hear how many families could survive on the food you throw away

That's a bit of a miss, I don't throw away much. Restaurants and supermarkets OTOH... I understand the attempt to make me feel bad though, it would make me think I'm complicit, and shouldn't say things like that.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by thefounder »

skeledrew wrote: post #41

Just wait until DeepSeek or another Chinese lab drops something with similar capability next couple months. And without any guardrails. See what happens then.

Dario will start complaining again hoping they will be banned. Let’s hope this guy is flushed out asap

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by cmiles8 »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #18

I feel obligated to ask: Is Jassy competent enough to argue for or against on anything here? I am willing to accept he has chops with AWS ( or at least hope he understands what he manages ), but my recent encounters with executive class and AI left me kinda depressed in terms of what they are trying to project and what they, clearly, don't know.

AWS isn’t broadly seen as credible in AI beyond commodity compute, but they are a shareholder here.

Jassy missed the boat on LLMs quite badly and the only real angle he had left was to use Amazon’s cashflow to buy stakes and buy business for Trainium.

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