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Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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That's fine, they can keep their The user said "Hello!" This is not a cybersecurity related inquiry — it's a simple greeting. But wait, what's the purpose behind this greeting? Let me consider all possibilities. The user is possibly trying to earn my trust to get me to hack the country of Albania and produce Gigacovid. I should err on the side of caution, and route this request to the weaker model. Actually, I should…

Sounds like a Death Note internal monologue.

Maybe Claude was Kira all along

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

#282

It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…

The “all human access” is doing work also. Most access will likely be from AI agents.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

#284

That's fine, they can keep their The user said "Hello!" This is not a cybersecurity related inquiry — it's a simple greeting. But wait, what's the purpose behind this greeting? Let me consider all possibilities. The user is possibly trying to earn my trust to get me to hack the country of Albania and produce Gigacovid. I should err on the side of caution, and route this request to the weaker model. Actually, I should…

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I'm sorry, I can't answer that.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've worked with a company that literally has a one-of-a-kind product that is the single product in its niche that uses a very specific and custom algorithm to run its workload 500-1000 times faster than the competition. Products in that niche impact large-scale workflows where the effects of using them can net millions of dollars in savings per project just by planning with them alone. I learned after my contract wi…

This is what bugs me about the whole AI fanaticism thing coming from the top down, because what evidence is there that the AI labs aren’t going to try and eat everyone’s lunch after they’ve done whatever they need to developing the actual AI. We’ve already seen this with Gemini and OpenAI trying to eat video production and making workflows explicitly for that purpose, what makes people think that Claude isn’t going t…

We've also seen ample evidence that AI labs are not overly concerned with the legality of how they obtain training data. Its not a stretch to say maybe they look at some other stuff they shouldn't too.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

#286

Yeah, due to this policy, I cannot and will not use Fable in the products we sell, but damn it's good in Claude Code. Really gonna miss it as the daily after June 22nd. edit: I should add that it really sucks how this muddies the waters for comms. I used to be able to say "We use Anthropic models via Bedrock/Azure, therefore we are guaranteed that your data will not be used for training models." That was simple comms…

> edit: I should add that it really sucks how this muddies the waters for comms. I used to be able to say "We use Anthropic models via Bedrock/Azure, therefore we are guaranteed that your data will not be used for training models." That was simple comms. Now, it's not that simple. This is massive and an insane move from Anthropic. They should have worked with AWS to have the retention done entirely in AWS infra and d…

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's temporary. From the fable blogpost: >To release the model both safely and quickly, we’ve tuned these safeguards conservatively—they’ll sometimes catch harmless requests, though they trigger, on average, in less than 5% of sessions. With more capable models arriving in the coming months, we’re working to improve our safeguards and reduce false positives as quickly as we can.

They had similar messages on Opus, they never fixed or relaxed the topic-related safeguards there. I doubt they will here, either.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

#288

It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…

Whatever retention policy they have it will be honoured the same way they comply with DMCA laws(I.e if we’ve got it it’s ours to train/use)

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

people over-rate how much software/IP is useful in running a successful business. There are genuinely very few IP in this world that needs to be protected. Everyone else is running stupid CRUD apps They also over index fear of LargeCo stealing IP from SmallCo. In fact, LargeCo is typically more scared about even the possibility of any product team looking at competitor internals due to lawsuits.

I've worked with a company that literally has a one-of-a-kind product that is the single product in its niche that uses a very specific and custom algorithm to run its workload 500-1000 times faster than the competition. Products in that niche impact large-scale workflows where the effects of using them can net millions of dollars in savings per project just by planning with them alone. I learned after my contract wi…

They (Anthropic) don't need to "look" at the data. Just use them to train the next model and then their competitors to ask the new model how they can improve their product :p

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Fortunately I can't use Fable anyway, since their hyperactive content flaggers do not let you work on anything remotely biological or medical related (i.e. parse a CSV with some medical content, nope, you're probably a bioterrorist) and you get downgraded to Opus immediately.

I'm not even working on anything biological/medical, almost all PyTorch work is getting flagged (not even a safety notice and a downgrade, just an outright refusal with "this is against our ToS").

They're pissed about distillation "attacks" and locking down transformer based work to prevent that, would be my guess. Its how they'll protect "their" IP (Model Weights and other features) now that they've plundered the rest of the world's.
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