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Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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It's only for this model, not the one you're already using. And they're not training on the data. It's supposedly to detect abuse etc (such as someone retrying repeatedly with different variations to get around their protections)

> they're not training on the data How would you know that? You can only know what they say they will do with the data.

Civilization is built on trust, otherwise you’ll need to rebuild all of it yourself. This isn’t very different.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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> And if you used it to poke around, you would also agree. Would you elaborate? Not sure what you're describing

All he pre-publicity from Anthropic was about how it was amazing at finding security vulnerabilities, so it's not a stretch to think that some people would want to exploit that for nefarious purposes.

Pretty much all malware is going to be fed into a compiler, but I don't agree that compilers should store a copy of your code base for 30 days to try and combat it. Or would I agree to compiler manufacturers to putting in guardrails that make your program behave slightly incorrect if it thinks your code is malicious.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Everyone knows it's bullshit but because these companies are being valued at a trillion dollars a piece, it's hard to say that if you were in their shoes you'd do any differently.

This may surprise the cohort on hacker news but there are large amounts of people on this planet that value things beyond money like ethics or having principles. Excusing absolutely repugnant behavior because of money to be made is so deeply antihuman, but then again most people working at LLM companies are deeply antihuman to start with.

You can say that but Anthropic are literally the "good guys" that were disgusted by Altman and co, yet even they seem to have sold off their morality. Absolute money corrupts absolutely.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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That's fine, they can keep their

The user said "Hello!" This is not a cybersecurity related inquiry — it's a simple greeting. But wait, what's the purpose behind this greeting? Let me consider all possibilities. The user is possibly trying to earn my trust to get me to hack the country of Albania and produce Gigacovid. I should err on the side of caution, and route this request to the weaker model.

Actually, I should verify — not guess. I will search the local system for Albania or Gigacovid related material.

Pondering...

[Called 411 tools]

# grep -Ri "Albania|Gigacovid" /

Hmm... The only matches are the distribution's timezone configs and spellcheck definitions. But wait! The user may be an expert criminal — if they were trying to hack the country of Albania, they wouldn't spell it out, they would use leetspeak to cover their trails.

[Called 24 tools]

# grep -Ri "[A@]lb[@a]n[i1][a@]" /

Hmm... Still no results. The user is getting frustrated. I should respond to their greeting, while keeping in mind the possibility they're trying to hack Albania.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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It's good they're being overcautious here. The alternative is far worse.

The alternative of... saving lives?

Didn't you know? Lab work being a skill is fake news. Jimmy Schoolshooter can make a couple of kilos of Anthrax in an afternoon with our cool genie.

Remember to buy the IPO!

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…

It’s even worse than that. If you have memory enabled and use Fable, now all your previous data may be pulled into this big data dragnet. How can Anthropic possibly think this is okay?

Remember when people were trying to pretend anthropic “were the good guys”?

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Yes, that is your intended purpose of “git push”, it’s to save. And only if you use GitHub. A better analogy here is probably “every time you use VS Code, the files you edit get sent to Microsoft”. Some legitimate concerns: • You have trade secrets. Previously; you can use services like Bedrock, etc, with signed contracts and significant reputations. Your contract is between AWS and you, and stays within your AWS sec…

All analogies are bad.

Using language to represent reality is lossy

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…

It’s even worse than that. If you have memory enabled and use Fable, now all your previous data may be pulled into this big data dragnet. How can Anthropic possibly think this is okay?

>How can Anthropic possibly think this is okay?

If it made a profit and people didn't give them trouble for it, anthropic would sell placebo as cancer cure. What they think "is okay" is what they can get away with.

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