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Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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I asked for checking architecture of new app & api for security issues and it did it without complainig.

Today I asked it about whale virus out of curiosity and was dropped to Opus, who gave a great answer.

They are for sure not using mythos or opus do the safeguard check.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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That's fine, they can keep their The user said "Hello!" This is not a cybersecurity related inquiry — it's a simple greeting. But wait, what's the purpose behind this greeting? Let me consider all possibilities. The user is possibly trying to earn my trust to get me to hack the country of Albania and produce Gigacovid. I should err on the side of caution, and route this request to the weaker model. Actually, I should…

jokes on you my Albania hacking project is called "a1bania"

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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I'm not talking about Claude copying. I'm talking about scouring Twitter/LinkedIn and look at posts from employees who say SOTA model is banned. Look at what the business do. Copy it using SOTA. Call their clients with 30% discount and faster turnaround and higher quality product. It is complicated, but I can get Private Equity of even VCs to fund this idea. tl;dr -- I'm actually agreeing with you. Anthropic will nev…

The thing is, just like employees at non-AI forward companies "cheat," by using their personal Claude.ai and ChatGPT.com, so will big companies, or at least some teams/departments regarding this Fable issue. LLMs might be new, but it is known that this kind of behavior is classic. As you said, if they don't, they will be easy pickings.

To be very clear, I ain't that guy. So, if this is true, I might be somewhat easy pickins myself. But, well known trust is a huge part of our org's value prop with our clients. God this sucks.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Maybe, but to do so they'd need to offer new terms of service and we'd have to accept. I believe they'd lose a lot of their core business market if they did so.

That's ... Tuesday in techbro land

You think companies would be ok with terms of service that allow potentially distributing their data and internal knowledge? It's an interesting question, though they tend to be more conservative than consumers

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

#248

Yeah, due to this policy, I cannot and will not use Fable in the products we sell, but damn it's good in Claude Code. Really gonna miss it as the daily after June 22nd. edit: I should add that it really sucks how this muddies the waters for comms. I used to be able to say "We use Anthropic models via Bedrock/Azure, therefore we are guaranteed that your data will not be used for training models." That was simple comms…

Note that the terms still prevent them training on the data. The retention is for abuse prevention.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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They seemed to have changed the wording since you posted the comment, now specifying exactly 30 days with seemingly no exceptions. These terms seem to be updated at-will, so I'll take that with a grain of salt however.

I'm not sure they can actually respect that 30 days absolute commitment. Let's say some internal tool flags a suspect conversation, it bubbles up and a human operator reads it and it looks like evidence of a crime. Then, that employee is legally bound in many jurisdictions to prevent the destruction of that piece of evidence. It's one thing to commit to a "everything is deleted when you press delete" automatic policy…

It generally goes without saying that legal obligations must be met. Before this 30 day policy they already had to comply with subpoenas and government retention requests.

Same with CSAM policies for any cloud provider. Doesn’t matter what the retention policy says, if the law says otherwise, the law wins. And there is no obligation to spell out every law in every country that might change how data is handled.

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