I mean not just the part 30 days data retention but I think the serious trade of this product is just the token efficiency. They trade it for precision. The claims that they make that it found a 30 year software bug from millions of lines of code is just precision. To human it's looks like a lot but for it it's just the ablity to process (token processing). Let's see how long it runs. Peace.
Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
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#43Fortunately I can't use Fable anyway, since their hyperactive content flaggers do not let you work on anything remotely biological or medical related (i.e. parse a CSV with some medical content, nope, you're probably a bioterrorist) and you get downgraded to Opus immediately.
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It's good they're being overcautious here. The alternative is far worse.
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#44A startup that uses agentic coding tools such as Claude Code or Codex is packaging up their entire codebase and sending it directly to their LM provider. Depending on their product, they might be sending it directly to a potential competitor. Odd times we are living in!
people over-rate how much software/IP is useful in running a successful business. There are genuinely very few IP in this world that needs to be protected. Everyone else is running stupid CRUD apps They also over index fear of LargeCo stealing IP from SmallCo. In fact, LargeCo is typically more scared about even the possibility of any product team looking at competitor internals due to lawsuits.
LargeCo is probably struggling under the weight of technical debt and organizational challenges/politics.
I bet if you gave them the Codebase of the Gods, it’d be a heap of hacks inside a couple months.
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#45A startup that uses agentic coding tools such as Claude Code or Codex is packaging up their entire codebase and sending it directly to their LM provider. Depending on their product, they might be sending it directly to a potential competitor. Odd times we are living in!
Yes, it certainly is an odd situation when some people believe you cannot use Mythos-class models because security while others believe you must do code reviews with Mythos-class models because security.
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#46What an annoying company, I wish it didn't exist..
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never had an NDA permit such usage.
Your NDAs prohibit emailing a colleague about the e.g. project, or discussing it in a Slack DM with the client, or tracking progress on it in JIRA? You have to do NDA’d work exclusively with local tools or end-to-end encryption? Those are some difficult NDAs!
We use inhouse on-premises email, issue tracking, and messaging. Depending on the project, external communication does require E2EE email. Development happens on local hardware and software unless required otherwise by the customer.
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#49the real risk is using it at all as you are already sending them your data. If you are ok with that, then this retention/review seems ok.
There were two (expensive) exceptions / alternatives so far: Bedrock and Vertex. Their Zero Data Retention was in fact contractually enforced . Now it is all f...d because of these morons at Anthropic. For now I am better off just using DS via their API. This is just a tragic moment for Tech. We just killed AI privacy. OpenAI already follows this trend and others will do too. The only hope now is ... tada .. Mistral…
Hmmm no? The only way is to deploy your own local model, using anyone else's you are at their whim on what happens to your data.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Step 1: Find all companies which refuses/bans to use SOTA models from irrational fear. Step 2: Use SOTA models to copy them and crush them Step 3: Profit. (Yes, not every business is easily replicable, but you sure can find some)
Step 4, get sued because you violated an NDA or other regulation?
I'm not talking about Claude copying.
I'm talking about scouring Twitter/LinkedIn and look at posts from employees who say SOTA model is banned. Look at what the business do. Copy it using SOTA. Call their clients with 30% discount and faster turnaround and higher quality product.
It is complicated, but I can get Private Equity of even VCs to fund this idea.
tl;dr -- I'm actually agreeing with you. Anthropic will never copy your business model due to NDA. But there are plenty of fearmongering about they copying you and because of which you won't use their models. If their models are genuinely SOTA you can use that information to your advantage and crush scaredy-cats.
Edit: The fact that these get downvoted is exactly the reason why it's easy to win