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Re: Siri AI

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Post by jon-wood »

zeratax wrote: post #513
bandrami wrote: post #461

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I'm too paranoid to ever want a home snitch device, so I'm not their target audience, but it always struck me that if it took even ten minutes to debug a problem like that it completely destroys a year's worth of time allegedly saved compared to just walking over to the room and hitting the switch.

true, but also there is no debugging, right? it's apple's software either it works or it doesn't. (i guess other than connectivity issues) idk if most of my home assistant automations have actually saved me time since i def had to debug them, but the level of satisfaction when they do work is def worth it for me, since i created (and debugged) them haha

Home Assistant automations for me are rarely about saving time, they're about saving mental energy. I no longer need to think about turning off the bathroom lights, my coffee machine is already warm when I go to make my morning coffee rather than standing around waiting for it, and when the washing machine is done I'll get a note reminding me to go empty it.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by dbbk »

vages wrote: post #146
InTheArena wrote: post #134

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This isn't really true. AI laws in the EU mandate that Apple give full access to everythign on the device to third parties. It's legit to be skeptical on the privacy front, but giving deepseek access to my entire phone. Or the TrumpAI at some point in a dystopian future seems... not great.

What’s your source for this? Opening up an API does not mean that everything on the phone is accessible to anybody.

Apple wrote a whole press release explaining it: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...

Re: Siri AI

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Post by cromka »

mayur24 wrote: post #535
dyauspitr wrote: post #492

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Apple is not reading anything.

Source: trust me bro

Nah, they actually have everything open for auditing and you can do that yourself. They heavily advertise that and had been for a while since they announced that split model 2 years ago

Re: Siri AI

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Post by saagarjha »

brookst wrote: post #381
kaibee wrote: post #353

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> It still boils down to general guidelines that it’s impossible to know if you’re violating before the fact, and they will not even approve/reject proposals in advance. It’s basically “go read the act yourself, and ship what you think is compliant, and you’ll know whether we interpret the words the same way by whether or not we fine you.” Companies want to know exactly where the line is so they can figure out how to…

So you’d be cool with speed limit signs that said “hey, don’t go too fast” and no specific limits? And the cops decide who to pull over on vibes, reputation, mood? I’m more of a rule of law person myself. If there’s a law that must not be broken, and breaking it results in penalties, it seems insane to me to not specify it in advance. Sure, big tech is largely evil. Arrest ‘em, find them, IDGAF. But pretending that D…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advisory_speed_limit#Germany

Re: Siri AI

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Post by pnut »

tempfile wrote: post #551
Snoddas wrote: post #546

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I think you are wrong. They never asked for one becase they never imagined being able to afford one. The amount of administration organizing a normal household takes I suspect most would be glad to leave to someon/something they trust and that can be held accountable. Today that someone needs to be a person (imo). But who knows, a startup may be plotting accountable digital assistans as we speak.

Obligatory: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Feb/3/a-computer-can-never-be...

Pretty sure unaccountability is a desired feature of management decisions in most organisations.

That quote has an unexpressed precondition to the effect of "In order for an organisation to be objectively well run..." or "In order for an organisation to equitably benefit all stakeholders at all levels..." etc

Re: Siri AI

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Post by saagarjha »

AgentOrange1234 wrote: post #311
hashmap wrote: post #294

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if for a second you believe that what apple says the regulators told them is the same thing as what the regulators told them, i have a cow farm under the titanic to sell you

This comment casts aspersions while making zero specific claims of wrongdoing. If you have something specific to say that goes beyond the vibes of "everything and everyone is corrupt and evil," that would at least be worth hearing.

Apple continually lies to the EU and the public about their DMA compliance efforts. Is that specific enough?

Re: Siri AI

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Post by Schiendelman »

kennywinker wrote: post #448
usef- wrote: post #428

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If I asked you over voice what Mike said he wanted for his birthday, it's usually less confusing if you just answer the question ("he wants snow boots") rather than started reading out words from another person ("I love it here at the snow, ...")

If that’s the story you’re trying to tell, where is the query in the image? The image alone doesn’t tell that story. But also: a) do you trust the llm to get it right 100% of the time? Because i’m gonna always read the original message to make sure. And b) just excerpt the message “mike says i love it here at the snow … but i need snowboots” if you’re so desperate to shoehorn LLMs into everything, that’s just as easy…

The query isn't in these screenshots you're seeing online because it was in the video. This particular one I think was missing the query but the others like it had a presenter talking through what they were doing. Complaining about an image pulled off the internet out of context… Come on.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by chaos_emergent »

zmmmmm wrote: post #438

It's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives. I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value…

This morning, while putting in daily contacts, I realized I was down to my last few pairs. Still standing at the bathroom sink, I used the ChatGPT app on my phone to voice-command the Codex app on my computer to book an optometrist appointment for Saturday. It visited the website, figured out the API, and booked it.

No, this isn’t the same as planning a multi-day vacation. But it is plainly useful today, and it feels very close to handling more complex tasks like that.

Maybe the difference is the model and the harness. At this point, I’m starting to think some people are either gaslighting themselves about how useful these systems are, or overgeneralizing from one narrow setup. Gemini, for example, seems especially weak at agentic behavior.

The wholesale dismissal just feels strange coming from the HN community I’m used to.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by artursapek »

s3p wrote: post #286
artursapek wrote: post #227

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I think it's fair to say that OpenAI has at least partially won the "consumer AI" segment.

Yeah but OpenAI isn't building phones. The real winning would be Google's deep integration of Gemini into all of their products. Also, even when you DO get AI into products, consumers might not like them. The overuse of copilot led to a barrage of Microslop jokes, for example

I would expect Apple to hedge their bet on Gemini and build everything so that the model can be swapped out in the future.
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