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Re: Siri AI

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Post by AgentOrange1234 »

hashmap wrote: post #294
tyre wrote: post #253

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It’s kind of funny that the EU’s regulation here would force Apple to allow options that are worse for user privacy. Apple is the least incentivized to farm data from its users; in fact, that’s a huge selling point. They mentioned it over and over and over in the WWDC keynote today. In my opinion, Apple is doing the right thing for users. It’s not like they have a huge revenue stream here. Yes, there will be some fea…

if for a second you believe that what apple says the regulators told them is the same thing as what the regulators told them, i have a cow farm under the titanic to sell you

This comment casts aspersions while making zero specific claims of wrongdoing. If you have something specific to say that goes beyond the vibes of "everything and everyone is corrupt and evil," that would at least be worth hearing.

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Post by onesociety2022 »

manwe150 wrote: post #293
onesociety2022 wrote: post #277

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I never understood how any regulatory body is going to decide which APIs in iOS must be made available to third-parties to hook into. So what if I'm a third-party maker of TCP/IP stack and I want Apple to offer me the ability to sell my custom TCP/IP stack to my iOS customers as a replacement for the stock TCP/IP stack that ships with iOS. Clearly no regulatory body has cared about that because it's too niche of a sp…

Replacement TCP/IP stack sounds like a VPN—which iOS allows

VPN is not a replacement TCP/IP stack. I literally meant the TCP/IP stack in the XNU kernel. It might be an esoteric example but it's not that far off. DMA already forced Apple to open up browser engine layer so third-parties can now bring in their own browser engines in the EU and are not restricted to using just WebKit.

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Post by mikestorrent »

merlindru wrote: post #111
wxw wrote: post #109

I strongly believe Apple can win the consumer AI space. They have incredible distribution and hardware. They just haven’t executed at the application layer yet.

what's worrisome is that they continue to fail at it. it's one thing to say "we're still hashing things out". it's another to parade around Image Generation features that are obviously widely not-cared-for and oftentimes actively disliked Apple cares greatly about their brand yet this has hurt their brand like nothing else in the past decade

If anything, shipping and sitting on the previous incarnation of Siri as a basic feature set to shut up iPhone users for a few years while everything else matured might be viewed as a very shrewd move ten years from now.

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Post by mikestorrent »

ninth_ant wrote: post #130
wxw wrote: post #109

I strongly believe Apple can win the consumer AI space. They have incredible distribution and hardware. They just haven’t executed at the application layer yet.

Apple has over-promised and under-delivered so many times in this space, going back to the launch of the original Siri. So while they could win, it’s pretty hard to get hyped about it before we see real-world tests.

Most people don't care that Siri doesn't do very much; if anything, people outside of HN are already sorta sick of AI features being shoved in their face.

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Post by cowsandmilk »

pornel wrote: post #123
nozzlegear wrote: post #48

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One of the presenters said they're working with regulators in China and the EU to make it available eventually.

In the EU case, Apple weaponizes people's ignorance about regulation. Apple pretends that the features everyone else has been shipping left and right somehow need extra paperwork and special approvals, because (…checks notes…) pro-privacy EU laws let zero-privacy competitors sail through, but block implementations that offer more privacy!? What's really happening is Apple unilaterally withholding features while makin…

I’m sorry, but the DMA is mandating Cambridge Analytica-type access to data. That whole scandal was people on Facebook granting a third party access to all the data they had access to. And Cambridge Analytica lied about how they were going to use it.

Facebook got roasted for this, but now the EU wants the same open data policy from every big tech company.

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Post by dwaite »

stingraycharles wrote: post #278

Wait, I got an iPhone 15 Pro Max because supposedly it was compatible with Apple Intelligence. But now it’s not supporting this?

Apple splits processing between an on-device and cloud-hosted model. As time goes on, devices will be more capable of doing more processing locally, and it would be expected that the cloud-hosted model gets more sophisticated.

Your 15 Pro Max supports Apple Intelligence. Newer phones can answer more questions without going to cloud infrastructure.

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Post by jltsiren »

onesociety2022 wrote: post #277
thewebguyd wrote: post #256

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> Apple is doing the right thing for users. The right thing for users would be to allow user choice, and for Apple to compete fairly. Apple allowing third party access doesn't automatically mean user data gets hoovered up by OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. It just means users now get the choice, if they want to make that choice. Users could stay with Siri/Apple if they care about what Apple is offering, or choose to accept t…

I never understood how any regulatory body is going to decide which APIs in iOS must be made available to third-parties to hook into. So what if I'm a third-party maker of TCP/IP stack and I want Apple to offer me the ability to sell my custom TCP/IP stack to my iOS customers as a replacement for the stock TCP/IP stack that ships with iOS. Clearly no regulatory body has cared about that because it's too niche of a sp…

Creating competition where it would not otherwise exist is the essential nature of the EU. Originally it was mostly about forcing protectionist member states to accept competition from other member states. But they extended the approach to breaking perceived natural monopolies a long time ago.

The exact rules ultimately don't matter, because the EU is after outcomes. If the current rules don't lead to the desired outcomes, they will keep changing the rules, until they get what they wanted. (Or until their goals change.)

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Post by hbn »

vrganj wrote: post #223
lxgr wrote: post #159

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> I feel like this is nothing more than Apple being angry that they have to allow people to actually choose what AI they want on their phone. It's really just Apple being angry about the EU's DMA endangering their golden goose (App Store revenue) and using any meaningful new functionality as a bargaining chip. They've done staggered geo launches for other features in the past many times, both before and after the DMA…

The thing is, Europeans are mostly annoyed with Apple over this, not the EC. It just reads like arrogant foreigners throwing a tantrum over our laws.

I would call those people uninformed. It's completely reasonable for Apple to be hesitant to roll out any new integration features within their own ecosystem in the EU.

iPhone mirroring for example. Seems like practically 100% chance that if they put that out in the EU they'd be facing lawsuits for not making it work with every Android and Kindle and digital pregnancy test on the planet. And making it an open API right out of the gate is a much bigger undertaking than just making it work with your own devices through a proprietary API that you're free to break at any point and just update your devices to work accordingly.

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Post by brookst »

jaggederest wrote: post #295
onesociety2022 wrote: post #277

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I never understood how any regulatory body is going to decide which APIs in iOS must be made available to third-parties to hook into. So what if I'm a third-party maker of TCP/IP stack and I want Apple to offer me the ability to sell my custom TCP/IP stack to my iOS customers as a replacement for the stock TCP/IP stack that ships with iOS. Clearly no regulatory body has cared about that because it's too niche of a sp…

> What about making Apple Watch specific APIs in iOS be made available to all third-party watch makers so any one can bring any smartwatch and use it just as effectively as the Apple Watch with an iPhone? What about all the AirPods specific APIs that lets Apple offer a better experience with AirPods than a generic bluetooth earbuds? What about Apple Pencil? And so on... Don't threaten me with a good time? All of thos…

Should you be able to use a Samsung SoC in an Apple phone?

At some point this is just a debate about vertical integration. Apple can deliver better experiences with it, but of course it limits user choice.

Many people want fully modular, open systems, which is lowest common denominator.

I can see both sides of the argument, but I am so skeptical of regulators deciding what can be integrated or not. If modularity is better for consumers, why don’t they prefer modular systems?

At the very least I think there should be a very clear tradeoff; right now the EU seems to think they can regulate their way to all of the benefits of vertical integration while outlawing vertical integration. I don’t see how anyone could look at that with a straight face.

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Post by dwaite »

nixpulvis wrote: post #60
seaal wrote: post #13

>Fix passwords with a tap. >The Passwords app alerts you to weak or compromised passwords and can update them on your behalf without the hassle. Finally, I hope this works well. Personally one of the worst things to deal with.

Apple Passwords reliably updates passwords in its database before the password is confirmed to be actually changed. I've been locked out of accounts many times to this. They really need to focus on these basic UX issues.

At least on 26, the passwords app saves a history with previous passwords.
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