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Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by drusepth »

jasonmp85 wrote: post #160
aorloff wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yes Apple "wraps" their AI in a "privacy architecture" -- you can't use Carplay unless you turn it (Siri) on.

How do you expect to use a nav system while driving without voice control?

Before you start driving, at stop lights, while waiting in lines, etc.

I don't know how it works on CarPlay but when I turn my car on I have a bunch of suggested addresses (home, work, parents, recent Maps searches, etc) that I just touch-to-go. Having to use voice every time you want to navigate not only sounds unnecessary, but cumbersome.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by speedgoose »

coldtea wrote: post #87
pjmlp wrote: post #56

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> Apple to use Google servers with Nvidia hardware for the new Siri https://www.macworld.com/article/3156959/apple-to-use-google... People have to stop thinking Apple is somehow different.

From the link "Nvidia has its own “confidential computing” feature that encrypts data as it’s being processed, which will be used with other privacy and security measures to protect user data"

Do you know if it end to end encrypted or the keys are managed by Google?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by scosman »

luk212 wrote: post #21

Very Apple-ish approach to AI catch up: wrap an external tool in a privacy architecture, embed into the OS and productize the orchestration layer. It will be interesting to see if the Private Cloud Compute + on-device routing can make third-party model capabilities feel like a first-party system without leaking user context to the model provider. If Apple handles the Google-Apple boundary right, this will be an elega…

> just a privacy-polished frontend for Gemini

I'd use this.

I'd rather have strong privacy guarantees, but this is still good.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by preg_match »

jasonmp85 wrote: post #160
aorloff wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yes Apple "wraps" their AI in a "privacy architecture" -- you can't use Carplay unless you turn it (Siri) on.

How do you expect to use a nav system while driving without voice control?

You don’t need to enable Gemini or voice assistant on android to use android auto. Some functionality is lost, of course, but you can still navigate and play music.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by trollbridge »

wuliwong wrote: post #184
jasonmp85 wrote: post #160

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How do you expect to use a nav system while driving without voice control?

I almost never use Siri in my car and use a "nav system" every time I am driving.

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Maxion »

bigfudge wrote: post #138
troupo wrote: post #89

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Translation: Since it's the user 's device, not Apple's, EU correctly "interprets" this as the user has the right to do whatever they please, including installing third-party chat apps. Apple are just bulshitters when it comes to actual users, and not their corporate definition of a user. BTW, did you know that in Japan, and in Japan only, you can change the Siri shortcut button to start other voice assistants? https…

This is such a shallow take. There are obvious privacy and security tradeoffs here. The EU competition framework is good in many ways, but this is actually something I don’t think we have the regulatory frameworks in place to handle yet , or social norms and understanding about why giving any Tom dick and Harry root on all your data is a bad idea. It’s paternalistic, but I agree with Apple that free for all access to…

I dunno, I trust the EU regulators more than I'd trust any US based company.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Maxion »

ainch wrote: post #6
microflash wrote: post #3

Not launching in EU feels like a smell. It does look interesting enough for me to try it out before disabling Apple Intelligence again.

They say it's because the EU's DMA would require them to open up device data to third-party assistants, and they'd no longer be able to guarantee user privacy. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...

I'd love to select Mistral over Google Gemini.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by adastra22 »

jasonmp85 wrote: post #160
aorloff wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yes Apple "wraps" their AI in a "privacy architecture" -- you can't use Carplay unless you turn it (Siri) on.

How do you expect to use a nav system while driving without voice control?

I never use Siri when using CarPlay? I’m confused by your question.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by preg_match »

oulipo2 wrote: post #105
potatoman22 wrote: post #35

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I'd wager that for 99.9% of "Apple Intelligence" tasks, Google's models perform just as well as other frontier labs. Google also has done more work on getting LLMs running on edge devices compared to anthropic and openAI. The source also says > The new architecture centers on Apple Foundation Models co-developed with Google, which Apple says are adapted to run both on-device and on servers through its existing Privat…

That's not the point of OP. The point of OP is that Google is a direct competitor of Apple for phones / OS, so them giving the "key of the house" to Google is risky

Yes, but you get less risk in other areas. Google is a long standing publicly traded company. Apple knows that they know their stuff, and that they’re gonna stick around. Anthropic and openAI are new kids on the block when it comes to software as a whole, and that’s a risk.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by trollbridge »

usrnm wrote: post #179
Schiendelman wrote: post #32

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I don't think they're "trusting Google" with anything. It's a Google model run by Apple, just like you download a model from Hugging Face to run when you want to.

> It's a Google model run by Apple Run by Apple where? Do they really have enough hardware to run it in-house?

Yes, and if they don't, they can lease datacentre capacity like anyone else can. SpaceX seems to have plenty for rent.
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