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Google employee charged with $1M Polymarket insider trading bet on search term

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Re: Google employee charged with $1M Polymarket insider trading bet on search term

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post #48

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That's sort of the point of prediction markets: they surface insider information by allowing people to profit off of it. The benefit is to people watching the prices , who can then use that information to make better decisions ahead of the answer being revealed to the public. It's not necessarily to market participants, who need to be aware of who else is trading the market and have a credible reason to believe they…

Couldn’t that same argument be used to justify stock market insider trading? The problem with insiders is not just that they can surface information, but they can actually manipulate the results. It’s why baseball players can’t bet on the results of their games, even if a prediction market guru might argue “their bets surface valuable information” or something.

That’s not the basis of insider trading in US securities law. US securities insider trading is premised on the idea that insiders are stealing from people they have an obligation to (the shareholders).

Re: Google employee charged with $1M Polymarket insider trading bet on search term

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post #5

Of course he should be punished but the best lesson here is for bettors. Those who wager on "prediction markets": you are betting against people who have access to more information or can influence the outcome of the wager. Don't waste your money.

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Re: Google employee charged with $1M Polymarket insider trading bet on search term

#133

If you worked at Google for 12 years, it seems pretty irrational to commit this kind of crime for only $1M. Maybe there’s a chance he can get pardoned before 2029 lol

> If you worked at Google for 12 years, it seems pretty irrational to commit this kind of crime for only $1M. Kinda? It's not like people making an order of magnitude less don't get busted for crimes where they're stealing an order of magnitude less.

I think the point the grandparent comment is trying to make is that at a staff level, and having been at google for 12 years, he was likely being paid pretty well, and that he could've made that same money longer term just by continuing to work at google

Re: Google employee charged with $1M Polymarket insider trading bet on search term

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post #45

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If you run a records company I assume this might be worth some money

As opposed to the publicly available Google Trends data? As opposed to running legitimate market research? Wouldn't you rather know the most searched person in your vertical, market, etc? The data in this example was going to be made public anyways. All the examples of prediction markets are predicated on them becoming public. You not only need the info, you need the info before it becomes public .

> you need the info before it becomes public.

and that's exactly how the Google engineer made money, right? He knew it beforehand, and once it was made public other people did too

Realtime access to internal Google search data may help you predict a lot of things that might be worth money, for example there's an existing market where companies buy usage estimation for competitors products (not though Google). I don't see why so many people are completely sure this information is worthless

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post #74
post #45

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If you run a records company I assume this might be worth some money

It's not always enough to know what - the why is often important. For example, d4vd is a famous musician, and search stats may indicate his potential popularity and future record sales. Or the public may be searching his name to find out more about the body found in his car, and the subsequent murder investigation and arrest.

> For example, d4vd is a famous musician, and search stats may indicate his potential popularity and future record sales.

I wasn't really aware of that as I guess I am not the target demography. However, I can think of multiple ways of making money off this information, I still don't see why people are so sure it is worthless

Re: Google employee charged with $1M Polymarket insider trading bet on search term

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That's aweful, only senators should be allowed to do that!

The Senate unanimously changed their rules last month to explicitly block senators and staff from engaging in prediction markets. https://news.bgov.com/bloomberg-government-news/senators-agr...

The House has not (yet, at least) adopted any such rule.

Re: Google employee charged with $1M Polymarket insider trading bet on search term

#137
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's sort of the point of prediction markets: they surface insider information by allowing people to profit off of it. The benefit is to people watching the prices , who can then use that information to make better decisions ahead of the answer being revealed to the public. It's not necessarily to market participants, who need to be aware of who else is trading the market and have a credible reason to believe they…

The unfortunate thing is that, while their academic position sounds plausible on paper, just like with most crypto things it's just a money grab. How many crypto people (with legitimate backgrounds just like the founders of Polymarket and Kalshi) stood up and said big things about freedom and the unbanked etc., turns out they were literally just scamming people- there are so many examples besides FTX. Letting people…

Did you ever consider that the crypto scammers might not be the same people as the crypto freedom folks? It wasn't one grand trick by a collective of genius con artists... Much like the cashier at the store isn't to blame for that guy calling your grandma and trying to trick her into sending money from her bank account.

Re: Google employee charged with $1M Polymarket insider trading bet on search term

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post #108

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Disclaimer: I have not read any literature on the economics of prediction markets, and I know nothing about the mechanics of Polymarket/Kalshi. I would imagine that in theory, everyone thinks they have the best information at the time, something like: House: "Odds that X happens? We'll put $1 on both sides to get it started. 50/50." Someone comes along: "Oh dang, I'm definitely more than 50% confident that X is happe…

Sure but these things are not really "odds" anymore, right? The most searched terms might be a mystery to the general public , but not to the engineers at Google. It gets even murkier when you can influence the outcome. The exact temperature at an airport might be difficult to predict, but if you are able to hold up a hair drier to the sensor for a few minutes you can be pretty sure it won't be cold. When the other s…

I don't think this is entirely true. Polymarket is extremely transparent on user accounts and markets so you can see who is betting what, their other bets, and so on. The article mentions that other users fingered him for insider trading. That itself opens up an opportunity for profit, by simply following the trades on what he seems to be an insider on. It'd be like if you could see in real time what Nancy Pelosi was investing it - shadow her trades and make big bucks with the soon to be announced market shifting government deal/regulation/etc.

The markets also open up the door for hedging, arbitration and other sorts of opportunities where you don't necessarily even care what the result is.

Re: Google employee charged with $1M Polymarket insider trading bet on search term

#139
post #5

Of course he should be punished but the best lesson here is for bettors. Those who wager on "prediction markets": you are betting against people who have access to more information or can influence the outcome of the wager. Don't waste your money.

Who says you have to bet against them? In Polymarket you can choose either side of a bet.

Re: Google employee charged with $1M Polymarket insider trading bet on search term

#140
post #68

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US charged and arrested a man in Venezuela so...

Don’t think they will mobilize 40 elite soldiers to invade Switzerland airspace just because of a small sum of a million dollars

They don't need to because he has already been arrested in New York.

There should be some sort of basic literacy requirement for people to post of this forum.

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