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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by 8note »

bensyverson wrote: post #346
carlosjobim wrote: post #270

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Because fully fledged software is dirt cheap already. Even Photoshop is only $20 per month. That is nothing to a professional who needs the tool. People who care about that kind of money will never pay any money at all for software, they will look for something for free.

The very real alternative now is: $0 to custom-code the one workflow you need, then $0 to fix it in four years when the dependencies break. Don't get me wrong. If you need PS, you need PS. I have a neighbor who is a photo retoucher. She is not vibe coding the tool she spends 8+ hr/day in.

$0 is a little low.

maybe $3?

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by falcor84 »

satisfice wrote: post #310
falcor84 wrote: post #215

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I don't get it. How is knowing that AI itself will not take responsibility or that it will not indemnify its users make your decade any better? Is your line of reasoning that using AI will very likely prove to be a bad idea in the long term and thus perfectly rational people with the same priors as yours will abstain from training or utilizing AI?

I am saying that AI cannot take responsibility. My line of reasoning assumes that you understand that responsibility/accountability is a crucial element in offering products and services in society. Although software companies like to disclaim all warranties to the extent the law allows, neither the market nor the FTC will allow you to breach contracts, make outrageous false claims, or offer products that destroy lif…

Thanks for clarifying, I suppose I mostly agree, and also hope that misbehaving companies will be punished.

With that said, I'm very concerned that the coming decade will be a bumpy ride for all of us.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by iinnPP »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #332
hombre_fatal wrote: post #255

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The people empowered by AI don't have to be nontechies, just everyone who has the will for an app to exist but didn't have the means (like interest) to yak-shave into a software engineer just to build one. It doesn't mean people who still don't have the interest are suddenly going to build apps. Also, the idea that there is no more room for apps just because apps already exist is wrong. Incumbent apps would love for…

Practically speaking it’s rarely cost efficient to vibe code your own all compared to buying. It might cost $100-200 in tokens alone and then there’s the time cost, maintenance, etc. Paying $10/month is cheaper. I’ll only make an app if there’s nothing else comparable out there (surprisingly common)z

It's "free" if you want it to be.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by carlosjobim »

bensyverson wrote: post #346
carlosjobim wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because fully fledged software is dirt cheap already. Even Photoshop is only $20 per month. That is nothing to a professional who needs the tool. People who care about that kind of money will never pay any money at all for software, they will look for something for free.

The very real alternative now is: $0 to custom-code the one workflow you need, then $0 to fix it in four years when the dependencies break. Don't get me wrong. If you need PS, you need PS. I have a neighbor who is a photo retoucher. She is not vibe coding the tool she spends 8+ hr/day in.

I think there's only two real world scenarios:

1. People buy and use fully fledged applications like Photoshop or get Affinity.

2. People ask AI to do their image editing / creation tasks.

The number of people who will have AI make programs for image editing is so small as to not even count. And they will only do it for tinkering reasons to make a vector image of Tux the penguin and then never use it again.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by bradley13 »

sunrunner wrote: post #241
bearjaws wrote: post #170

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> It's a lot more that just a CRUD-app. That still seems like a simple CRUD app.

Steady on, I'd say it's at least a fancy CRUD app.

Yes, sure, a fancy CRUD app. Still, enabling a non-programmer to do this is... interesting, and ultimately may be game changing.

He didn't spend a fortune. This wasn't "agentic", eating zillions of tokens. It was the standard stuff anyone could do with a personal subscription ($20/month or so) to a couple of AI services.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by carlosjobim »

altmanaltman wrote: post #350
carlosjobim wrote: post #182

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1. Adobe sells Photoshop to design professionals. 2. Design professionals sell their work to businesses. But if businesses start using AI image editing instead of contracting professionals, then Adobe won't have a market of Photoshop buyers. Before you say that AI isn't good enough for the kind of business which pays for professional design, in one year it probably will be.

Its not about AI being good enough. Businesses outsource these things because they don't want to deal with it. That's the same now. The question is if designers are using AI or not. And guess who has the best AI stack for designers? Photoshop with Firefly. This is why I insuniated that people here don't really understand photoshop as a business and customer, only see it as an app. And yeah, it will be better in one y…

You're making really good points.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by Gud »

swatcoder wrote: post #298
bradley13 wrote: post #138

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Exactly this. I have an acquaintence who is a wine connoisseur and collector. He has done technical project management, but does not program himself. Over the course of several months, he has produced an app that manages a database of the wines he has. It's a lot more that just a CRUD-app. In addition to maintaining the obvious data (name, year, winery, notes, etc.), it can take a photo of the label, parse it, and fi…

> 6 months of fiddling with a couple of different AIs in his spare time Six months of fiddling and $X00 in subscription/token fees to make a DIY inventory management app that's going to need regular attention and revision, with ongoing service fees, to accommodate not-quite-right implementations and hidden technical debt. That's a toy for wealthy hobbyists, not a revolution. The industry needs to deliver on a lot mor…

I have developed multiple such applications myself. Essentially a wrapper around SQLite in pick your favourite language, that you then use to extract and combine different data.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by bradley13 »

thisisit wrote: post #315
bradley13 wrote: post #138

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Exactly this. I have an acquaintence who is a wine connoisseur and collector. He has done technical project management, but does not program himself. Over the course of several months, he has produced an app that manages a database of the wines he has. It's a lot more that just a CRUD-app. In addition to maintaining the obvious data (name, year, winery, notes, etc.), it can take a photo of the label, parse it, and fi…

So the future is - Everyone has their own apps built specifically for their own use case and spending tokens just for the satisfaction to have created something themselves? That sounds like a tool for hobbyists. I have no clue about wine connoisseur apps but I have to assume that someone some where has build apps to manage the obvious data and now integrating AI into it so that it can do photo to text and reports and…

I think you are too cynical. His app works. It needs no maintenance, unless the underlying OS changes something fundamental. It doesn't use AWS or any other cloud service.

Look, as an IT professional, I build dry stone walls. Could a professional do it better? Probably. So what? I have the satisfaction of having built them myself, exactly how I want.

AI had enabled something new, and us only going to get better.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by user34283 »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #236
user34283 wrote: post #66

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I am working like 20 hours a week on my new iOS app with Codex. People on here talk like it was some belief or suggest I am somehow profiting from "hyping" AI. Is it so hard to believe that agentic coding now works? Engineers are taking it up left and right. Edit with reply: I can't, because the app is still in the works. Also my HN account is again rate limited and I won't be able to post more comments. Edit number…

Hey, rate limits are incredibly frustrating, but contributing to HN is worth it. Try writing a polite, brief email to hn@ycombinator.com with a link to your user profile. Tell them that you’ve re-read the HN guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ) and that you’re willing to follow them. Then ask if it would be possible for the rate limit to be removed. My gut reaction looking over your account…

Thanks, I appreciate the info.

But I don't think I'm going to email the mods and beg them to remove me from some list they added me to without notifying me.

I don’t feel like apologizing for complaining about the drivel some write because they don't like LLMs.

It was not my most substantial or productive comment, but I feel it is fair enough and did not target anyone in particular.

Contributing to HN is not worth it.

I'm spending my time, compromising my privacy, and advising potential competitors on what works best in my workflow. It's often not appreciated, so I might as well stop commenting so much.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by user34283 »

philote wrote: post #118
throwaway2037 wrote: post #79

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Can you share a link to your app?

I recently had a coworker open my eyes to why vibe coding, or AI-assisted coding is so popular. He likened it to a slot machine, where pulling the slot's arm is like asking an LLM to code something. You get crap most of the time, but when it works, it's like getting a payout. That dopamine hit keeps them pulling, hoping for another hit, and they then believe it's a better way to develop software.

The difference is that you don't just pull again.

You guide the originally mediocre result towards a good outcome by providing feedback and potentially technical insights.

That's not a gamble, it works reliably enough.

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