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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by peab »

imdsm wrote: post #50
peab wrote: post #43

One of the bottlenecks right now is testing. The LLMs suck at testing still, so the feedback cycle still requires human input

That's because testing is a layer above, and that requires effort from people, and people don't want to put in the effort or lack the skills to properly test with them. I think LLMs are superb at testing, but I have a lot of machinery in front of them to enable it

They're not good at testing things that require a high visual frame rate (i.e animations), high fidelity (small details), or are out of the normal distribution of things they've seen in the past (without comprehensive prompting)

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by erelong »

I think it's an interesting conversation; there's an assumption that "vibe coding is complete and incapable of creating Photoshop alternatives".

But it's more like, still open to debate but sounds likely: how long until vibe coding is powerful enough to generate Photoshop alternatives quickly?

So yeah I think people would concede the point that vibe coding isn't quite all there yet; but is it there at the size of a function or module or collection of small pieces of code? Definitely.

The other part of the conversation is about how AI-assisted coders may be doing other things than creating a Photoshop alternative. Maybe many of us don't need Photoshop and use something like Gimp instead. Maybe people feel existing software like Photoshop or its alternatives are "sufficient enough" so they're building something else instead. Maybe the people who use Photoshop lack incentives or skills to vibe code an app themselves, and maybe the people who don't use it aren't interested in creating a Photoshop alternative.

Maybe there are other bottlenecks than just code generation that are holding back more alternatives being created: where to post code after you create it, when there is more "noise" online; of getting ideas for things to create in general, which might be a problem independent of AI; of other economic and social conditions that have people focused on solving other problems currently rather than creating a Photoshop alternative.

So I think the point stands that we don't have the expected Photoshop alternatives currently, but I think we will probably see more of that in time, and we might also see AI be used in other ways than may be expected (another comment for example suggested maybe people might skip Photoshop altogether and just use AI to generate photos or effects; I can appreciate the idea that this doesn't replace how a lot of people use Photoshop, but on the other hand I can also think of some instances where it might for some people).

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by butz »

Just hold your horses, I started vibe coding not only Photoshop, but whole Creative Suite with all the utilities. Sorry to say, but I ran out of tokens this month, so it might take a while until I will be able to take on Adobe. Just sit tight and send positive vibes my way.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by fragmede »

rimliu wrote: post #239
koonsolo wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same experience on my end. It's crazy what the latest version can pull off, with reference images, text, etc.

so both of you do not understand what Photoshop is really used for.

So tell us instead of being vague And condescending?

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by MattRogish »

stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

Yes, absolutely.

People keep confusing single player vs. multiplayer and forgetting "jobs to be done".

Photoshop files are the lingua franca of the design world. If you're working with designers, they'll likely give you a PSD (replace PSD with other examples in other domains, etc.)

Sure, I could vibe code "make a tool that lets me create multi-layered canvasses etc." but if I want to use it with anyone other than me, I have to make sure that it's binary compatible, bit for bit, with PSDs (or whatever's required to open it in Photoshop and maintain the layers).

This makes no sense to do this unless I'm targeting Photoshop specifically and plenty of tools already do this.

Other than a way to burn money, I am completely unsurprised such a thing isn't widely available (I'm sure someone, somewhere is/has tried this).

For most people, single-player Photoshop is a means to an end. If I have sufficiently advanced AI I can just describe what I want and get the end result (a button, image, whatever). Or even just point it at an image and say "add gaussian blur here".

I would never try and vibe-code a new editor just to make images.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by arm32 »

ACCount37 wrote: post #272
rimliu wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so both of you do not understand what Photoshop is really used for.

Do you? I somehow doubt it. Can you provide an example of something "Photoshop is really used for" that ChatGPT Images 2.0 is completely incapable of doing?

- Keeping a human face exactly the same while removing imperfections and being able to make small, purely non-destructive edits in series.

- Export in very high quality without estimative upscaling.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by varispeed »

erelong wrote: post #292

I think it's an interesting conversation; there's an assumption that "vibe coding is complete and incapable of creating Photoshop alternatives". But it's more like, still open to debate but sounds likely: how long until vibe coding is powerful enough to generate Photoshop alternatives quickly? So yeah I think people would concede the point that vibe coding isn't quite all there yet; but is it there at the size of a f…

Isn't it more like why would you want to vibe code Photoshop?

It feels like a massive chore and will likely cost more to do than lifetime of your subscription, not to mention alternative cost of not being able to do other things because you are vibe coding photoshop.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by swatcoder »

bradley13 wrote: post #138
stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

Exactly this. I have an acquaintence who is a wine connoisseur and collector. He has done technical project management, but does not program himself. Over the course of several months, he has produced an app that manages a database of the wines he has. It's a lot more that just a CRUD-app. In addition to maintaining the obvious data (name, year, winery, notes, etc.), it can take a photo of the label, parse it, and fi…

> 6 months of fiddling with a couple of different AIs in his spare time

Six months of fiddling and $X00 in subscription/token fees to make a DIY inventory management app that's going to need regular attention and revision, with ongoing service fees, to accommodate not-quite-right implementations and hidden technical debt.

That's a toy for wealthy hobbyists, not a revolution.

The industry needs to deliver on a lot more than that to justify the investments that have been made.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by zero_shift »

darkwater wrote: post #57

I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. The post author is calling out the "Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?" folks for empty accusations. The "accusers" in their post are THE people asking that question, not the AI users. See this paragraph: > There are no vibecoded Photoshops because vibecoding does not do what the rhetoric claims it does. The accusation itself is th…

For others who are confused.

The author is someone in the demoscene who has been accused of "vibe coding" large pieces of work.

His counter is that if such things are possible, where is the vibe coded Photoshop?

He then goes on a tangent that "vibe coding" is a kind of easy accusation mostly levelled at "neurodiverse" developers

Which is why he ends the post:

    So.
    Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?
    WHERE IS THE THREAT YOU MADE UP TO ATTACK ME?

    I'm waiting.
    – gizmo
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