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Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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A fifth of these last year were paid for by the government scheme that buys people cars - Motability. I wonder how many of these current ones are like that.

Motability is not 'a Government scheme that buys people cars' People use the mobility part of their PIP payments to lease a car from Motability which is an independent company, they could use the mobility payment to pay for taxi instead.

The government heavily subsidises it. It's not a government scheme but it walks and talks like one.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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It also helps that they drive nice and are more convenient for most people.

They're also quiet and no combustion means no exhaust fumes.

> They're also quiet

As someone who lives near a busy road, I'm 100% all for them for this reason alone

The boy-racers doing 2x the speed limit with their loud exhausts and poppin can go do one

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Doesn’t increasing fuel price affect the electricity prices, which increases the charging cost?

Depends on how you charge and where.

If you charge at home, and you don't have a car tariff, it'll be ~25-30p per kwhr

If you get a car charging tariff then you'll be paying ~9p a kwhr.

if you are brave then you can use an agile prices which depends on the weather you can be paid to charge (my record was -11p a unit) however in winter it can be a lot high, like 45p a unit.

Charging on the street can be around 50p a kwhr up to 98p a kwhr

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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But compared to the US home charging via a mains outlet is much more viable because it's 240v vs 110v. If you plug you car overnight you'll typically have enough charge to last you the next day.

I've been doing level 1 charging for the past 3 years or so. It is fine even in cold Calgary (albeit in an unheated garage) Unless you are regularly doing upwards of 150 km/ day, it's fine.

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Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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I am so confused by the categorisation of cars: BEV, HEV, PHEV and so on. I think the industry insiders who write some of these articles don't realise how hard it is for some of their readers to keep track.

It's actually dead simple: there are battery electric EVs and internal combustion cars. That's it.

ICE cars come with a variety of add-ons and schemes to improve efficiency: fuel injectors, ECUs, braking energy capture systems (aka hybrid), small batteries for short trips that no one plugs in (aka plug in hybrids), etc.

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A lot of fast chargers are over $1 per kwh so unless you have access to home charging there isn't much room for savings.

At some stage I wonder if the UK will need to regulate the charger industry. The price gouging is wild in places. If we look at the energy content of petrol, a litre of gas contains about 9kwh of energy, or at average pump prices 1.58/9 = ~18 pence a kwh. For sure, EVs are far more efficient at converting a kwh of energy into forward motion, but if we assume 35 mpg (9.25 miles/litre) for the gas car, we need about 97…

dpeends on the car. My Zoe does 4.8 miles per kwhr, my old car does 35 miles per gallon (or 7.6 miles per litre) petrol is currently £1.6 a litre.

Which is 21p per mile, for my petrol car

at 98p a kwhr its 20p per mile.

but in practice the electric car is 3 pence a mile for me (average car charging price for me is 15p a kwhr)

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this is the exact kind of misinformation that prevents progress. Brazil does not "fuel" cars on sugarcane any more than the US fuels its cars with corn. No one is missing any forests or trees. What you are missing is that the cost savings in fuel are so large with any EV that by itself, the money saved is an extremely compelling incentive to many people.

You are wrong and right.

Wrong because Brazil DOES fuel cars on sugarcane alcohol. Most petrol stations in the country have pumps for sugarcane alcohol, nearly all the ICE cars sold in the last two decades have a flex engine (in the past you had to chose when buying the car if you wanted a alcohol engine or a gasoline engine, now the engines just takes whichever you trow at it and adjusts the injection accordingly), and roughly half the personal vehicles in the country run daily on alcohol. That fact has softened this oil crisis a tiny tiny bit in the country (when oil is expensive many people just pump alcohol instead of gasoline).

And right that electricity is much cheaper than gasoline or alcohol, so people are changing to EVs because of the cost savings in fuel. In fact electricity was already much cheaper even when the price of oil was down, what was holding back EV adoption in the country was never the price of oil, but the relatively high purchase prices of EV vehicles (the average upper-middle-class Brazilian can't afford a Tesla like an American or European can), but the latest batch of basic EVs (like the BYD Dolphin-mini/Seagul) started to break that barrier about one or two years ago, and are now on the top sales charts.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Ignore the "EV" part. B = Battery H = Hybrid PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home)

> Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home And, in practice, the battery tends to be much, much bigger. Some PHEVs are basically mediocre-range electric cars which happen to have a petrol generator.

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Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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They're also quiet and no combustion means no exhaust fumes.

> They're also quiet As someone who lives near a busy road, I'm 100% all for them for this reason alone The boy-racers doing 2x the speed limit with their loud exhausts and poppin can go do one

Agreed, though I was disheartened to find that we are now forcing electric cars to be loud because won't someone think of the pedestrians. There was a moment when EVs were quiet, and now there are some which drive by my house (residential neighborhood, so around 20 mph) that are louder than a well maintained ICEV would be at the same speed. The worst offenders are hybrids (looking at you, Toyota, with that unholy screech you make...)
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