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Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by alistairSH »

iso1631 wrote: post #36
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignore the "EV" part. B = Battery H = Hybrid PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home)

> PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home) Surely that's the "same as a battery but you can use petrol on long journeys" The only energy input for a "hybrid" is from petrol. It's slightly more efficient. A Toyota Yaris 1.5 hubrid gets about 65mpg rather than the 45mpg on a Skoda Kamiq https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/skoda/kamiq-2023 https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/real…

Sort of...

IIRC, the latest Honda Civic Hybrid has the ICE decoupled from the drivetrain most of the time (even if it is running to generate power), but it can couple to the drivetrain under some conditions?

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

youngtaff wrote: post #67
arjie wrote: post #49

A fifth of these last year were paid for by the government scheme that buys people cars - Motability. I wonder how many of these current ones are like that.

Motability is not 'a Government scheme that buys people cars' People use the mobility part of their PIP payments to lease a car from Motability which is an independent company, they could use the mobility payment to pay for taxi instead.

And you can claim you have anxiety in order to get a brand new Audi. So it’s a government scheme which buys people cars.

It’s not independent, because it derives all of its income from the government and uses it to buy people brand new top of the range cars.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by rootusrootus »

asdefghyk wrote: post #95

I expect , data such as ... would be illuminating here ... Electric cars registered in countries with large land mass? "..Electric car adoption , ranked by value of government incentives.."? Eventually I just searched for "... graphs relating to EV adoption" " ..Relationship between country land mass and ev adoption rate.." ? I have not posted links, not sure if its allowed.

Since this is a discussion, I would suggest it would be most helpful if you just provided your opinions explicitly. And you are welcome to post links to back up assertions that involve facts, of course!

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by gib444 »

youngtaff wrote: post #67
arjie wrote: post #49

A fifth of these last year were paid for by the government scheme that buys people cars - Motability. I wonder how many of these current ones are like that.

Motability is not 'a Government scheme that buys people cars' People use the mobility part of their PIP payments to lease a car from Motability which is an independent company, they could use the mobility payment to pay for taxi instead.

It's also misleading to treat it just like another independent private company too (not just because Motability consists of both a limited company and a charity (or two, IIRC)). The limited company reinvests revenues or transfers to its charity, not to private shareholders. Its origin was a charity.

But the only reason it exists is because of government funds and government policy.

The scheme would collapse if the government stopped allowing benefit money to be used for Motability leases. The banks lent them money under the reassurance of the government funding.

But yes, they lease the vehicles, they don't sell them.

EDIT: my comment may have some minor inaccuracies. I just found https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmwo... - a very detailed description of the company, charities etc

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by rootusrootus »

alistairSH wrote: post #111
iso1631 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home) Surely that's the "same as a battery but you can use petrol on long journeys" The only energy input for a "hybrid" is from petrol. It's slightly more efficient. A Toyota Yaris 1.5 hubrid gets about 65mpg rather than the 45mpg on a Skoda Kamiq https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/skoda/kamiq-2023 https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/real…

Sort of... IIRC, the latest Honda Civic Hybrid has the ICE decoupled from the drivetrain most of the time (even if it is running to generate power), but it can couple to the drivetrain under some conditions?

That sounds like what the Chevy Volt did back in the day. Turns out that it just was not feasible to achieve higher efficiency through the generator when cruising on the highway than just direct driving the wheels.

Almost certainly why nearly all hybrids have been parallel hybrids up to now. What is changing, I think, is that a significant number of people are warming to the idea of a BEV, and want all of the benefits of that, but want to fall back on gasoline in a pinch. Thus EREV, or series hybrid, which provides that crutch. Expensive, though.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by redwall_hp »

rootusrootus wrote: post #82
walthamstow wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that extended range? I was reading about them the other day. A small ICE engine in the car but it only charges the battery, right? Basically the opposite of a Toyota hybrid.

Yes, also known as a series hybrid, though EREV has become the dominant term in my experience. Nearly all hybrids on the market today or at any time in the past have been parallel hybrids, where the electric and gas motors both attach to the drivetrain. BMW did make an EREV version of the i3. Chevy made the Volt, which was almost a series hybrid, but in the end still parallel.

The new Civic hybrid is a series hybrid. It puts down 200hp and does 0-60 in 6 seconds, all while getting 50mpg. It combines the torque of an electric motor with an Atkinson cycle engine, which is known for better efficiency but worse torque, as a generator. And it clocks in around 3200lb, a bit more than a classic Civic, but far lower than any BEV.

The slight compromise is at constant highway cruising speeds, it may let the engine take over, since the efficiency calculus likely is more favorable in those conditions. It uses a clutch to do this, and only has a single gear ratio, rather than the messy setup of typical parallel hybrids.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by numpad0 »

rsynnott wrote: post #27
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignore the "EV" part. B = Battery H = Hybrid PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home)

> Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home And, in practice, the battery tends to be much, much bigger. Some PHEVs are basically mediocre-range electric cars which happen to have a petrol generator.

I wouldn't be sure if that's often the case, most PHEVs are just minor upgrades over existing hybrids. The electric motors on most hybrids, except the Nissan system, tend to only cover zero to city speeds. They need the gas engine connected to handle highway and ramp situations.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by barbazoo »

rootusrootus wrote: post #97
sensecall wrote: post #96

I’m not surprised with fuel at like £1.80/L and electricity as low as 3.5p/kwh Makes EVs quite appealing. https://carcosttool.com/ev-vs-ice-breakeven

It also helps that they drive nice and are more convenient for most people.

They're also quiet and no combustion means no exhaust fumes.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by KaiserPro »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #105
alt227 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how long until those children are no longer in nursery and you are not subsedised for it? In ~2 years you will no longer have this help, you will be paying through the nose for the outstanding amount on your new car, and your take home will be significantly less each month.

There is no need to go that high in salary (a lucky very small minority). The higher income tax band (40%) kicks in at 50k. Salary sacrifice schemes offer huge savings to many people.

true it does kick in at 50k but only for stuff over 50k. so its not a cliff like 100k or if you're at the other end on universal credit.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by rootusrootus »

jampa wrote: post #11

This oil crisis was a huge boon for EVs. In Brazil, despite the "hate" most people have against EVs, BYD went from breaking into the top 10 in March to taking the #1 spot in consumer sales for the first time ever.

Yeah, money talks. And every time you drop another $100 bill into the fuel tank, maybe you start to wonder what it is like to not pay that. Or to not drive to a gas station at all. Then you drive one and become one of the vast majority of people who suddenly have the epiphany "I will never go back, I like this way too much."
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