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Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by annexrichmond »

Ladioss wrote: post #376
sigmoid10 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. If China ever feels emboldened enough to go for Taiwan and the US descends into complete chaos, the rest of the world running on AI will be at the mercy of authoritarian regimes. At the very least you can be sure noone is in this for the good of the people anym…

I always find it an illuminating experience about the power of mass propaganda every time I see an American believe they somewhat have the moral high ground over China, despite starting a new war somewhere around the globe either for petrol or on behalf of Israel every six months.

So you think the US should sit back and watch Iran develop nukes? Is that the “moral” thing to do?

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by Alifatisk »

ant6n wrote: post #96
Aliabid94 wrote: post #14

MMLU-Pro: Gemini-3.1-Pro at 91.0 Opus-4.6 at 89.1 GPT-5.4, Kimi2.6, and DS-V4-Pro tied at 87.5 Pretty impressive

Funny how Gemini is theoretically the best -- but in practice all the bugs in the interface mean I don't want to use it anymore. The worst is it forgets context (and lies about it), but it's very unreliable at reading pdfs (and lies about it). There's also no branch, so once the context is lost/polluted, you have to start projects over and build up the context from scratch again.

You know, with a bit of prompting, you can instruct Gemini to output the state of the conversation into a prompt that you can enter in a new chat and continue where you left off. But now with a fresh context window.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by throwaw12 »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #719
dzonga wrote: post #521

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Jensen Huang said this in his recent interview - that China has the best/most engineers, it has the chip making ability, it's a good thing they wanna build on a Nvidia stack - but if you push them they will build on an all Chinese stack - but the interviewer was being a numb head who kept parroting the propaganda of Western tech supremacy

> but if you push them they will build on an all Chinese stack That's alright. It delays them at least.

Sure, then hopefully makes them stronger

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by angry_octet »

jen20 wrote: post #744
kccqzy wrote: post #670

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I spent only two minutes reading their documentation and it’s clear no one did any proofreading and it’s full of mistakes made by non-native speakers. Example: the second sentence on the first page says “softwares” but “software” is a mass noun that cannot be pluralized. Example: the third page about tokens has some zipped code to “calculate the token usage for your intput/output” and obviously “intput” should be “in…

> Example: the second sentence on the first page says “softwares” but “software” is a mass noun that cannot be pluralized. I constantly see and hear this mistake from actual humans too. It's fairly ironic that your own comment contains run-on sentences, speculative claims and phrasing peculiarities like "could have even" instead of "could even have". Perhaps you are less sensitive to this than you think!

There is a difference between conversational speech and formal speech like documentation. It isn't rational to criticise use of the first when such speech is complaining about errors in the latter.

It's strange that you criticise "could have even" when it is a phrasing clearly being used for emphasis. "Could even have" makes no clearer sense in context.

No irony detected.

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Post by foobiekr »

Ladioss wrote: post #376
sigmoid10 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. If China ever feels emboldened enough to go for Taiwan and the US descends into complete chaos, the rest of the world running on AI will be at the mercy of authoritarian regimes. At the very least you can be sure noone is in this for the good of the people anym…

I always find it an illuminating experience about the power of mass propaganda every time I see an American believe they somewhat have the moral high ground over China, despite starting a new war somewhere around the globe either for petrol or on behalf of Israel every six months.

There’s no organ harvesting of a religious subgroup in America.

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Post by abacadaba »

phatfish wrote: post #505
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #374

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As a different Brit I do not accept such moral relativism. China’s governments actions are on a completely different level - for example: “”” Since 2014, the government of the People's Republic of China has committed a series of ongoing human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslim minorities in Xinjiang which has often been characterized as persecution or as genocide. “”” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

The US supports the genocide in Gaza, it supports the bombing of Lebanon. The US itself has now started (another) war and bombed Iran. China is repressing the Uyghur and threatening Taiwan. I don't agree with these actions but is really "orders of magnitude" worse than the destruction the US facilitates in the Middle East? With Trump they are now openly hostile to European democracies, and ICE and doing their best at…

Yes, because the U.S. action in the ME is a fully justified gift to the world and Israel has every right to act in self defense.

The European democracies are basically failed states at this point and I just hope we don't end up like them.

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Post by seniorThrowaway »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #393
sudo_cowsay wrote: post #292

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I sometimes wonder if there are any security risks with using Chinese LLMs. Is there?

Backdooring software at scale. Spearphishing. Building reliance and exploiting it, through state subsidies, dumping, and market manipulation. Handicapping provision to the west for competitive advantage.

Are you implying only one country does these things?

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart.

I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US.

I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake.

China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact.

Look into Mistral AI too :)

For context, I am Swedish.

Yes this is a new account, please focus on the content.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by hodgehog11 »

cztomsik wrote: post #565
hodgehog11 wrote: post #282

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No, Muon was developed by Moonshot; they've been using it in their Kimi models since Kimi K2 in 2025.

Jordan Keller worked at Moonshot? Or am I missing something? I thought he is the original author. https://x.com/kellerjordan0/status/1842300916864844014

I was wondering whether someone would bring this up :-).

Yes, you're absolutely right, and no, Jordan Keller does not work for Moonshot. He is the original author of the algorithm, so credit goes to him.

There's a lot of legwork to go from prototyping to proper development though. The reason I said what I did is because Moonshot has the first research publication on it that I'm aware of. Could definitely have used better language though, my apologies to Jordan!

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