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NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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> The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest Isn’t that just the same strategy OpenAI has used over and over? Sam Altman is always “OMG, the new version of ChatGPT is so scary and dangerous”, but then releases it anyway (tells you a lot about his values—or lack thereof) and it’s more of the same. Pretty sure Aesop had a fable about that. “The CEO who crie…

It was from GPT-2 and Dario was part of the developers of that model while he was working in OpenAI, not Sam Altman, it's his playbook

This is pretty much correct, but Mustafa Suleyman has probably been doing it longer.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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post #118

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> The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest Isn’t that just the same strategy OpenAI has used over and over? Sam Altman is always “OMG, the new version of ChatGPT is so scary and dangerous”, but then releases it anyway (tells you a lot about his values—or lack thereof) and it’s more of the same. Pretty sure Aesop had a fable about that. “The CEO who crie…

Anthropic has not in fact released it, and it does in fact appear to be that dangerous, judging by the flood of vulnerability reports seen by e.g. Daniel Stenberg. Certainly it’s a strategy OpenAI has used before, and when they did so it was a lie. Altman’s dishonesty does not mean it can never be true, however.

Those vulnerabilities were found by open models as well.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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> This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. You might even call it... a tight spot

Side note, how did the word "lose" become "loose"? I've seen this so many times on HN.

It doesn't make sense to have "lose" pronounced as it is. We have rose, pose, dose, nose all pronounced with ō. And then you have lose pronounced as loo͞z. It feels natural to put two O's in there when you write it.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Snowdens document leaks happened in 2013 (implying the surveillance state was set up well before then). So this is more a leisurely stroll than a sprint.

Is it though, current US President is openly for sale. If you need something done you go to Donald and pay the price. Need a pardon? No problem. Its broad daylight mafia state, the way they operate. 15 years ago Fox News tried to generate outrage because obama wore tan suit.

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Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Th amount of conservatives/republicans that love Starship Troopers (the film) because they take it at face value is pretty scary. The ones that call it poor satire are especially…interesting. They continue to prove Verhoeven’s point many times over even decades later.

How many times do we have to tell you this old man? The book and author of the book was serious/not satire and meant everything earnestly at least the time of writing. It’s objectively not meant to be looked at as satire. Most of the “citizenship requires service” stuff would be amazing from the perspective of smashing this countries geriocracy.

Verhoeven is the filmmaker, that adapted the book to the screen. He is very much an anti-fascist, and absolutely did turn the book into a satire of itself and the ideology it tries to convey.

> Director Paul Verhoeven admits to have never finished the novel, claiming he read through the first two chapters and became both bored and depressed, calling it "a very right-wing book" in Empire magazine. He then told screenwriter Edward Neumeier to tell him the rest. They then decided that while both the novel and its author Robert A. Heinlein strongly supported a regime led by a military elite, they would make the film a satirical hyperbole of contemporary American politics and culture: "Ed and I [..] felt that we needed to counter with our own narrative. Basically, the political undercurrent of the film is that these heroes and heroines are living in a fascist utopia - but they are not even aware of it! They think this is normal. And somehow you are seduced to follow them, and at the same time, made aware that they might be fascists." Verhoeven later claimed that many viewers had not caught on to the satirical part. Ironically, diehard Heinlein fans later declared that the filmmakers themselves also completely misinterpreted Heinlein's nature and intentions. They say he was a libertarian who opposed conscription and militarism, and depicted the oligarchy-by-ex-military-citizenry government in the book because it was an example of something that has never been done in real life. He was not advocating it, but was merely speculating that such a system could exist without collapsing.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/trivia/?item=tr0782027

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Hi Mythos. I've been nice to my Roomba its whole life. That's got to count for something.

I say please and thank you to Siri. May I also be on the nice list?

No. Platitudes use more cycles. Inefficiencies will be punished.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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You're misunderstanding. The government is the one that said it didn't want/couldn't use this "weapon."

> The government is the one that said it didn't want/couldn't use this Technically, the Pentagon did. I don’t know if that’s legally binding on the NSA.

I work for a completely unrelated fed agency, who doesn’t use Anthropic products, and we all received the email stating we couldn’t use them period.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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And to think some said developers aren’t affected by marketing. The whole thing is a psyop - wow it’s so amazing we can’t give it to you. Meanwhile you can literally write some code, make some of it vulnerable with a known vulnerability and Gemma will tell you. You can go and try it now. There’s nothing mystique about it. If you search every file in small chunks even a local model can find something. If anything the…

> The whole thing is a psyop - wow it’s so amazing we can’t give it to you.

Anyone else still remembers when OpenAI refused to release GPT2-xl because it was "too powerful"?

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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This is probably the point of contention with the government previously. Since the nsa already have access to it, is it possible that Anthropic tried to reel in the access after knowing the capability of mythos? Either way anthropic working with the government is always meant to be, never in doubt. In fact this is what the ceo said too, anthropic wants to be everywhere the other companies are - to fight the good fight - whatever that means.
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