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Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by JackFr »

burner-phone73 wrote: post #72
maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

The position doesn't matter. Nobody sane listens to what the orange or "the USA" says because it could be the complete opposite tomorrow. Which sadly is exactly the position where the orange wants to be. Free reign for him and nobody cares.

I think the Dutch would take issue with you throwing around "orange" like that.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by carlossouza »

hoppp wrote: post #100
maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

They created the model specifically to play this game.

“Show me the incentives and I will show you the outcomes.” Charlie Munger

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by jazz9k »

maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

It's like opening up an exclusive night club. Everyone is talking about it and wants in, even though most know nothing about what's actually inside.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by Hizonner »

amarcheschi wrote: post #143
Filligree wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic has not in fact released it, and it does in fact appear to be that dangerous, judging by the flood of vulnerability reports seen by e.g. Daniel Stenberg. Certainly it’s a strategy OpenAI has used before, and when they did so it was a lie. Altman’s dishonesty does not mean it can never be true, however.

How many months till they release a better model than mythos to general audience? Gpt 2 wasn't released fully because OpenAI deemed it too dangerous, rings a bell? https://openai.com/index/better-language-models/#sample1

A few months of restricting access to people they think will actually fix problems is a big deal. Obviously only an idiot would think it could or should be kept under wraps forever.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by rhdunn »

embedding-shape wrote: post #141
Filligree wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic has not in fact released it, and it does in fact appear to be that dangerous, judging by the flood of vulnerability reports seen by e.g. Daniel Stenberg. Certainly it’s a strategy OpenAI has used before, and when they did so it was a lie. Altman’s dishonesty does not mean it can never be true, however.

> judging by the flood of vulnerability reports seen by e.g. Daniel Stenberg Maybe I've missed anything, but what Stenberg been complaining about so far been the wave of sloppy reports, seemingly reported by/mainly by AIs. Has that ratio somehow changed recently to mainly be good reports with real vulnerabilities?

Some relevant links:

[1] https://www.npr.org/2026/04/11/nx-s1-5778508/anthropic-proje...

> Improvement in AI models' capabilities became noticeable early 2026, said Daniel Stenberg.

> He estimates that about 1 in 10 of the reports are security vulnerabilities, the rest are mostly real bugs. Just three months into 2026, the cURL team Stenberg leads has found and fixed more vulnerabilities than each of the previous two years.

[2] https://www.linkedin.com/posts/danielstenberg_curl-activity-...

> The new #curl, AI, security reality shown with some graphs. Part of my work-in-progress presentation at foss-north on April 28.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by klausa »

amazingamazing wrote: post #145
klausa wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About five minutes in in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sd26pWhfmg They also say publicly in their Opus 4.6 post ( https://red.anthropic.com/2026/zero-days/ ): >In this work, we put Claude inside a “virtual machine” (literally, a simulated computer) with access to the latest versions of open source projects. We gave it standard utilities (e.g., the standard coreutils or Python) and vulnerability analysi…

Again, marketing materials by Anthropic. You realize this is by anthropic themselves right? And again, not reproducible by outsiders. So useless.

You've moved goalposts from "they haven't open-sourced the process" to "these are marketing materials by Anthropic".

I think you're right to be skeptical, but they _have_ talked about the process publicly.

And I don't think there's anything there that is not reproducible by outsiders? They have access to the same Opus 4.6 that you and I do; though not having to pay for the tokens certainly helps.

I'm pretty sure if you wanted to burn a couple thousand bucks, you'd reproduce at least some of these findings.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by amazingamazing »

klausa wrote: post #166
amazingamazing wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, marketing materials by Anthropic. You realize this is by anthropic themselves right? And again, not reproducible by outsiders. So useless.

You've moved goalposts from "they haven't open-sourced the process" to "these are marketing materials by Anthropic". I think you're right to be skeptical, but they _have_ talked about the process publicly. And I don't think there's anything there that is not reproducible by outsiders? They have access to the same Opus 4.6 that you and I do; though not having to pay for the tokens certainly helps. I'm pretty sure if y…

The goal post is the same, reproducible. Talking about a process isn’t reproducible. This entire discussion is why I feel developers are so gullible. You are defending a process that’s entirely opaque and you can’t even use. It’s crazy.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by [deleted] »

Filligree wrote: post #131
latexr wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest Isn’t that just the same strategy OpenAI has used over and over? Sam Altman is always “OMG, the new version of ChatGPT is so scary and dangerous”, but then releases it anyway (tells you a lot about his values—or lack thereof) and it’s more of the same. Pretty sure Aesop had a fable about that. “The CEO who crie…

Anthropic has not in fact released it, and it does in fact appear to be that dangerous, judging by the flood of vulnerability reports seen by e.g. Daniel Stenberg. Certainly it’s a strategy OpenAI has used before, and when they did so it was a lie. Altman’s dishonesty does not mean it can never be true, however.

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Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by xiphias2 »

latexr wrote: post #118
maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

> The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest Isn’t that just the same strategy OpenAI has used over and over? Sam Altman is always “OMG, the new version of ChatGPT is so scary and dangerous”, but then releases it anyway (tells you a lot about his values—or lack thereof) and it’s more of the same. Pretty sure Aesop had a fable about that. “The CEO who crie…

It was from GPT-2 and Dario was part of the developers of that model while he was working in OpenAI, not Sam Altman, it's his playbook

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by orochimaaru »

Filligree wrote: post #154
Telemakhos wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments are sovereign: they tell people what to do (by making laws, by exercising a monopoly of violence, etc), and nobody tells them what to do. Governments also fight wars, which means lives depend on the government's ability to command. Private companies make products. When those products were plowshares or swords or missiles, the company didn't really have a say over how they were used, and could be compelled…

In American law, companies have the choice of whether or not to do business with the government, outside of a few corner cases. There’s a process for forcing them, but it can’t just be because the leader says so. In this particular case Anthropic had a contract stating what the military could and could not use their models for. The military broke that contract. Anthropic declined to sign a revised one. This is within…

That is allegedly not what happened. Anthropic’s CEO was happy to grant waivers on a case by case basis.

The problem is the branches of the government that Anthropic was doing business with found it infeasible to do this.

They had another problem. If one of their contractors used Claude to engineer solutions contrary to Anthropic’s “manifesto” would Claude poison pill the code?

Basically Anthropic wanted the angels halo and the devils horns and the govt said pick one.

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