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Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by vbezhenar »

ethbr1 wrote: post #68
maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

'Anthropic is / isn't lying about Mytho's capabilities' is the less interesting conversation. The more interesting one is: 1. Assuming even incremental AI coding intelligence improvements 2. Assuming increased AI coding intelligence enables it to uncover new zero day bugs in existing software 3. Then open source vs closed source and security/patch timelines will all need to fundamentally change Whether or not Mythos…

> it doesn't appear so, given how able AI tools already are at disassembly?

If that's your concern, shareware industry developed tools to obfuscate assembly even from the most brilliant hackers.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by evanjrowley »

Aerroon wrote: post #110
garbawarb wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Side note, how did the word "lose" become "loose"? I've seen this so many times on HN.

Because your pronounce them backwards. "Loose" is a short word that ends sharply, but "lose" is a long word that slowly peters out. They should be the other way around imo.

Now that you frame it that way, I'm surprised "lose" didn't evolve to be pronounced like "Lowe's"

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by latexr »

clark_dent wrote: post #103
garbawarb wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Side note, how did the word "lose" become "loose"? I've seen this so many times on HN.

It didn't, but the advent of spellcheck and autocorrect has made everyone completely give up on proper grammar or word selection as long as no squiggly line appears.

Maybe that’s part of it, but I’ve also noticed autocorrect on my devices often correcting incorrectly. As in, I type the word correctly and it decides “oh, surely you meant this other similarly spelled word” and changes it. Sometimes I don’t notice until after sending the message.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by swasheck »

goolz wrote: post #22

The pace at which we sprint toward a full blown surveillance state, with unaccountable oracles sentencing us for pre-crime, is alarming to say the least.

along those lines, this is a “fun” (albeit tangential) read https://x.com/PalantirTech/status/2045574398573453312?s=20

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by tclancy »

kasey_junk wrote: post #82
ethbr1 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most surprising thing about watching the Trump trainwreck has been in how spineless he is about any personal ideological conviction. He cares about perceptions of him. He cares about power and money. But past that it's literally... whoever was last in the room with him. Which in this case was obviously Palantir. And 50 days ago was Hegseth.

Why is that surprising? He’s been that way on the public stage for 40 years. What’s surprising is his base popularity hasn’t moved at all. He’s giving a fair chunk of the population what they want.

>He’s giving a fair chunk of the population what they want.

That would be upsetting if so. I feel the far more frightening thing is he is telling a large swath of people who don't know what they want, what they want. And then delivering that. So it could be literally anything.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by gambiting »

saidnooneever wrote: post #107
garbawarb wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Side note, how did the word "lose" become "loose"? I've seen this so many times on HN.

people are from many places

In all of those places loose means something that isn't tight and lose something that you've displaced.

I think it would be correct to say people display varying command of the English language, which to me has never been a problem - as long as I can understand what you mean, it's all fine.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by derektank »

rsfern wrote: post #48
jeremyjh wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TFA says the NSA is part of the DOD.

It is, but NSA reports to the director of national intelligence, not the defense secretary, so it’s unclear (to me at least) that SecDef’s opinion of Anthropic counts for anything here I guess DOD is large enough they have multiple parallel cabinet level positions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency

It’s not as clear as that. The NSA director is also, traditionally, dual-hatted as the Commander of CYBERCOM and thus a flag officer reporting ultimately to the SecDef. The DNI is responsible for coordinating/funding national intelligence activities but ultimately a lot of day to day operational decision making tends to flow through the pentagon. They would definitely need to abide by DoD policy

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by latexr »

maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

> The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest

Isn’t that just the same strategy OpenAI has used over and over? Sam Altman is always “OMG, the new version of ChatGPT is so scary and dangerous”, but then releases it anyway (tells you a lot about his values—or lack thereof) and it’s more of the same. Pretty sure Aesop had a fable about that. “The CEO who cried ‘what we’ve made is too dangerous’”, or something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by anonym29 »

jeremyjh wrote: post #58
anonym29 wrote: post #53

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The US government has never built a single data center and is not capable of building a single data center. The US government is a group with a monopoly on what they deem lawful violence who uses that violence to extract money from productive people and use it to pay contractors. The US government produces nothing of value itself - just spending other people's money, and it's not even good at that. It has more or les…

The USG has a $7 Trillion annual budget, and eminent domain. What do you have?

The FedGov has not constructed a single one of the buildings it uses. It pays contractors to build them using stolen money. Also, the $7T is clear evidence of incompetence. The FedGov collected $5.3T in theft revenue last year. This is why it's nearly $40T in debt. Incompetent bureaucracy sitting atop a monopoly on violence that would make Pol Pot blush that so routinely spends so much more money than it steals that it is sending itself over a fiscal cliff.

Good riddance. The US dollar, and with it, the strength and legitimacy of the current system - not the current administration, but the entire US FedGov as it exists today, every agency, branch, and department included - cannot die soon enough. Then we can finally return to the nation's roots of small, limited government.

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Post by [deleted] »

maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

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