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Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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What's with the odd name? Apple already has a 15 year-old product called Thunderbolt. Mozilla already has a similarly-named but totally-different product called Thunderbird.

It's not an Apple thing, though they may have adopted it first.

Basically every high end laptop comes with TB4 or 5 ports.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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A leading web browser can not be built and maintained by volunteers.

I don’t know, but there are other ways of funding besides -completely- volunteer run. Take look at Ladybird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladybird_(web_browser)?wprov=s...

You can't seriously compare ladybird, a mostly broken browser nowhere ready or even remotely close to it, to Firefox.

Ladybird will be dead in a few years.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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What's with the odd name? Apple already has a 15 year-old product called Thunderbolt. Mozilla already has a similarly-named but totally-different product called Thunderbird.

It's not an Apple thing, though they may have adopted it first. Basically every high end laptop comes with TB4 or 5 ports.

It was originally codeveloped by Apple and Intel.

Though from Thunderbolt 3 onward Intel has been the sole developer.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Not sure about the US but in France there’s absolutely no way this would be confused with Apple Thunderbolt. No one talks about it, and I don’t even know it it’s even a thing anymore since USB-C. As for Thunderbird, it’s not the same name? Idk what to say

My first thought was "why would Mozilla support a proposal to expose Thunderbolt to the Web after rejecting similar proposals for USB and Bluetooth?" So yeah, especially in light of the lightning bolt logo and "thunderbolt.io" domain name, I think it's confusing enough that I'm honestly surprised there's no "Thunderbolt is a registered trademark of Intel Corporation used under license" notice on the site.

The domain name is the most confusing part! "This is thunderbolt.io. No, not the I/O device, the AI client"...

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Addressing the usual few complaints folks always bring up: * This is from the separate independent team that works on Thunderbird, not Firefox, so there isn't any resource contention happening there * Thunderbird is revenue positive, and this potentially gives that team another revenue stream to be even more self-sustaining through charging companies * Businesses definitely want to control the AI they're using (espec…

1. Potential donors get upset that they can't make directed donations to specifically support Firefox or Thunderbird rather than the whole kit-and-kaboodle

2. Separate entity spun up to focus on Thunderbird only. Now you can support Thunderbird development directly.

3. New separate entity is now in the business of extensible AI clients?

EDIT: I went back and read the launch announcement [1]. I'll concede it does say "will also allow us to explore offering our users products and services that were not possible under the Mozilla Foundation" which could mean anything, really. And this development was funded by a Mozilla grant, importantly not by Thunderbird donors. I'm still struggling to not see this as a distraction from the core mission. I wish they'd spun up a new entity instead.

[1] https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/

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Almost all of the gui software for programming keyboards with QMK uses webusb or webhid, so you either have to use a chromium based browser or an electron app that is basically just a wrapper for chromium.

Yeah, it's a shame Qt/C++ doesn't have any way of interacting with USB devices and there's no libraries for that, otherwise there could be a native GUI app for QMK. Or failing that, because Qt is simply too difficult for programmers to figure out, maybe some day there will be a way to deal with USB devices from Java, then at least we could have an AWT app (or I guess Swing is the new hotness now?).

Yeah the fundamental problem is there isn't a good way to write cross platform applications that interface directly with a usb device

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Stop spreading misinformation, it's funded by grant money https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbolt/blob/main/docs/fa...

Ah yes, a grant from Mozilla, to Mozilla.

Even more so, it is likely a grant of money earned by Firefox (the Google search engine deal).

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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There is "only one Firefox" but Firefox exists in a market that is not just commoditized, but subsidized to the tune of billions by 3 of the 10 largest companies in the world. The world may need Firefox but it's funny how people complain about Mozilla's dependence on Google while also complaining about every attempt to become more financially independent from Google.

They could start getting some of that goodwill back by not paying their CEO a multi-million dollar salary and opening donations to actually help fund Firefox.

Frankly, https://opencollective.com/servo is a better place to donate by now.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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oh mozilla, why don't you just focus on Firefox. That is all we want.

Mozilla needs money to support the development of Firefox (and the payroll of its high-salary executives). For now, they mainly rely on Google for that money. Google pays them to avoid antitrust cases, to show the courts that they are not a monopoly and that "alternatives" exist. For example, the DOJ once proposed that Google be forced to sell off Chrome. However, if another entity has control over your budget, they…

Mozilla could stop doing everything else and slow burn their existing $1B into developer salaries over the next decade. They are actively choosing not to.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Firefox started at 0% when IE was more dominant than Chrome is today. Nothing is certain.

Firefox hit a peak of 32% and has fallen ever since. Effectively Firefox crashed at the same time IE did, and I can’t see in what way Mozilla ever attempted to recover.

Now correlate that with when the organization was hijacked by its management into no longer being interested in making a good browser.
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