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Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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einr wrote: post #160
rothific wrote: post #102

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Hi, I'm on team that worked on this. No it's not vibe coded. We do pretty intense code review of every PR. It looks like the number you're seeing is including lock files and artifacts that are not part of the core coverage.

Fair enough if it’s not vibe coded, I’ll take your word for it. Code review seems like it’s mostly bots (Claude, Cursor, Greptile) from the PRs I looked at? Nevertheless, AI use is not what really stood out to me. It’s that it’s SO MUCH CODE. I have no idea how you guys maintain or reason about the quality or security of something like this. Good luck, I guess.

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Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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stonogo wrote: post #53
dralley wrote: post #39

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>120k LoC of probably largely vibecoded nonsense for a window with a text box and a button that lets you send and receive some data over a HTTP API. "I will make loads of assumptions without checking so that I can invent reasons to get mad" Note that about 30,000 of those lines are JSON files for localization and testing, as one example.

Are you arguing that 90k LoC for a window with a text box and an overengineered textarea tag is somehow more acceptable than 120k?

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Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by jasomill »

thiht wrote: post #263
computer23 wrote: post #244

What's with the odd name? Apple already has a 15 year-old product called Thunderbolt. Mozilla already has a similarly-named but totally-different product called Thunderbird.

Not sure about the US but in France there’s absolutely no way this would be confused with Apple Thunderbolt. No one talks about it, and I don’t even know it it’s even a thing anymore since USB-C. As for Thunderbird, it’s not the same name? Idk what to say

My first thought was "why would Mozilla support a proposal to expose Thunderbolt to the Web after rejecting similar proposals for USB and Bluetooth?"

So yeah, especially in light of the lightning bolt logo and "thunderbolt.io" domain name, I think it's confusing enough that I'm honestly surprised there's no "Thunderbolt is a registered trademark of Intel Corporation used under license" notice on the site.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by tmtvl »

thayne wrote: post #204
galangalalgol wrote: post #184

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What are those use cases? It seems like a giant hole punched all the way from a tab's sandbox through the process boundary and out to the kernel... Yes, gpu rendering is a great example of the same problem. Canvas at least has some intervening layers depending on implementation.

Almost all of the gui software for programming keyboards with QMK uses webusb or webhid, so you either have to use a chromium based browser or an electron app that is basically just a wrapper for chromium.

Yeah, it's a shame Qt/C++ doesn't have any way of interacting with USB devices and there's no libraries for that, otherwise there could be a native GUI app for QMK. Or failing that, because Qt is simply too difficult for programmers to figure out, maybe some day there will be a way to deal with USB devices from Java, then at least we could have an AWT app (or I guess Swing is the new hotness now?).

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by x0x0 »

mschild wrote: post #136
x0x0 wrote: post #119

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reddit tab, firefox: 428mb. same tab, chrome: 78mb.

I get 80mb for reddit on firefox. That number can be down to any number of different factors on reddit itself. Having an autoplay video running, etc.

The endless excuses and lies.

It was the same page, both on old.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by estimator7292 »

Why does everything AI related feel the need to just take over names and words with longstanding well-established meanings already in common use?

Like, seriously, this is like calling your AI model NVME or Northbridge or something. Insanity.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by rothific »

pmontra wrote: post #122

The Get Started button links to a contact form. That's unexpected. I looked for the source code repository and thanks to somebody here that hinted at it as a Thunderbird project, I found [1]. That's a better Get Started page. [1] https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbolt

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