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Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#91

Post by techjamie »

dralley wrote: post #22
data-ottawa wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you, there are 1,000 different chat apps and just one Firefox. And the world needs Firefox more than it knows. It looks like they might want to get into hosting/selling services to users on this. From the FAQ: > Is there going to be a hosted version if I don't want to deploy it myself? > Yes, we are planning to launch Thunderbolt for regular users but we do not have a release date yet.

There is "only one Firefox" but Firefox exists in a market that is not just commoditized, but subsidized to the tune of billions by 3 of the 10 largest companies in the world. The world may need Firefox but it's funny how people complain about Mozilla's dependence on Google while also complaining about every attempt to become more financially independent from Google.

They could start getting some of that goodwill back by not paying their CEO a multi-million dollar salary and opening donations to actually help fund Firefox.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#92

Post by ryanleesipes »

LandoCalrissian wrote: post #52
anildash wrote: post #38

Addressing the usual few complaints folks always bring up: * This is from the separate independent team that works on Thunderbird, not Firefox, so there isn't any resource contention happening there * Thunderbird is revenue positive, and this potentially gives that team another revenue stream to be even more self-sustaining through charging companies * Businesses definitely want to control the AI they're using (espec…

Thunderbird was literally asking for donations just a few days ago?

This was built with money from an grant from Mozilla. See the bottom of this page: https://www.thunderbolt.io/announcing-thunderbolt

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#94

Post by ojubknobugh »

drzaiusx11 wrote: post #81

For anyone reading this that has worked on the launch of this new product (or the many others of their ilk throughout the years) under the various Mozilla orgs, I mean no disrespect, however I feel it's important to not mince words these days.. I implore ANYONE at Mozilla org to please, please stop working on projects distracting from the complex and necessary work of browser and web standards stewardship. That alone…

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Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#95

Post by [deleted] »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #76
Kye wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox started at 0% when IE was more dominant than Chrome is today. Nothing is certain.

Firefox hit a peak of 32% and has fallen ever since. Effectively Firefox crashed at the same time IE did, and I can’t see in what way Mozilla ever attempted to recover.

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Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#96

Post by CivBase »

drzaiusx11 wrote: post #81

For anyone reading this that has worked on the launch of this new product (or the many others of their ilk throughout the years) under the various Mozilla orgs, I mean no disrespect, however I feel it's important to not mince words these days.. I implore ANYONE at Mozilla org to please, please stop working on projects distracting from the complex and necessary work of browser and web standards stewardship. That alone…

I'm perfectly fine with Mozilla working on other things as long as those things are profitable or at least self-funded. As long as they are not leeching donated resources from Firefox or Thunderbird, I don't see a problem. However, I wish I had some kind of assurance that the money I donate to Mozilla would go to Firefox and not some other project like this.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#97

Post by eipi10_hn »

bakugo wrote: post #86
eipi10_hn wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And?

And they're taking money donated towards Thunderbird development and spending it on random unrelated AI slop ideas that nobody asked for. You really don't see anything wrong with that? Surely you can agree that when you open Thunderbird and are met with requests for donations, if you chose to donate, you'd expect that money to be invested in Thunderbird development, and not 10M Claude tokens to vibe code Mozilla's la…

Why do you know that nobody asks for? Are you in the team?

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#98

Post by godelski »

bakugo wrote: post #41
anildash wrote: post #38

Addressing the usual few complaints folks always bring up: * This is from the separate independent team that works on Thunderbird, not Firefox, so there isn't any resource contention happening there * Thunderbird is revenue positive, and this potentially gives that team another revenue stream to be even more self-sustaining through charging companies * Businesses definitely want to control the AI they're using (espec…

> Thunderbird is revenue positive Is that why I'm met with a splash screen asking me to donate every time I start Thunderbird? Is this another Wikipedia situation?

You think that just because the software can be downloaded for free means the developers shouldn't get paid for their work?

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#99

Post by drzaiusx11 »

ojubknobugh wrote: post #94
drzaiusx11 wrote: post #81

For anyone reading this that has worked on the launch of this new product (or the many others of their ilk throughout the years) under the various Mozilla orgs, I mean no disrespect, however I feel it's important to not mince words these days.. I implore ANYONE at Mozilla org to please, please stop working on projects distracting from the complex and necessary work of browser and web standards stewardship. That alone…

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Mozilla should not be a business, full stop.

The fact that is being run like one, albeit poorly is exactly the problem.

I don't think you realize the irony in calling my post childish here. "C'mon" I guess?

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#100

Post by rothific »

bakugo wrote: post #86
eipi10_hn wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And?

And they're taking money donated towards Thunderbird development and spending it on random unrelated AI slop ideas that nobody asked for. You really don't see anything wrong with that? Surely you can agree that when you open Thunderbird and are met with requests for donations, if you chose to donate, you'd expect that money to be invested in Thunderbird development, and not 10M Claude tokens to vibe code Mozilla's la…

Stop spreading misinformation, it's funded by grant money https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbolt/blob/main/docs/fa...
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