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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by juped »

friendzis wrote: post #713
fooqux wrote: post #642

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> They want to get established as the de facto standard and get a whole bunch of people on their platform so by the time they need to "get profitable" they have a captive audience, a leg-up on other labs. It's a tale as old as time, that's why ubers used to be cheaper than cost. Some of that is seeking to kill competitors before they can get established. That's normal and has been around for generations, if not since…

The lock-in of email platforms is the address. With IMAP you can extract the messages right away and migrate. Yet, you would still have to check the old mailbox for stray emails that you must tell to reach you on the new address. And continue doing so for years or risk missing some critical email. Coincidentally, bringing your own address that can be migrates away is somewhere between impossible and expensive.

No, you can do it on all the major providers for either no or low cost.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by rustystump »

m3kw9 wrote: post #643
meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

Humans are very good at pattern recognition, even if you generate different stuff, you still see a pattern, either in the cutting, color, cadence of movements, the color grading, camera lens used, everything, your mind will tag it as slop. Essentially you are watching the same videos over and over subconsciously

U say that but then when u look at most “content” on social media it is the same video over and over again. How many JRE podcasts are basically the same crap as last time? How many influencer “life” videos are the same thing over again? Even the stuff i like is formulaic to the point ai can almost write the scripts.

I think people attach to other people more than “ai”. When there isnt a narrative “person” behind the content it is way less interesting.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by superultra »

asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

Had Waffle House with some friends who mostly work in blue collar industries. One guy who works at a timber mill used Claude code to redo their ordering system. Took him about a month to go from knowing nothing about Claude Code to finishing the system. Basically just copied a proprietary software product that costs them upward $20k a year. They’re keeping that other product to cross check but so far the Claude coded item works great, and is of course more custom to their business. The dudes a hero at work because the system is heads and tails better.

Obviously caveat emperor but there are a lot of real world scenarios like this.

I think Anthropic and OpenAi are trying to all cool and apple-y with their branding but these use cases are just tools getting work done. Most normal people don’t need or want AGI, or even AI slop videos. They just want their invoicing system to just f-ing work for a change.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by shimman »

blharr wrote: post #247
shimman wrote: post #222

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Just listen to actual audio books... literally doing double the work for no benefit... why?

There aren't a lot of highly technical audiobooks or ones that give the same specificity that would be the same as an academic paper

Okay but the user is describing listening to papers, then having to read the papers because listening to them isn't efficient. So why bother listening to it in the first place if you're going to read it?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by muzani »

hansmayer wrote: post #570
muzani wrote: post #511

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They're different impulses. Some want to consume. Others want to create. TikTok and social media is a strange mix of both, people posting response videos to everything. Personally, I've stopped subscribing to Spotify, YT music, etc because the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music or whatever lofi playlist. It's free, it's good enough, and it's not grating to hear after a few days of that favorite…

Sweet Jesus. You realise this is the mental equivalent of stuffing your stomach full of junkfood and soda every day?

This is a mainstream break up song: https://youtu.be/ekzHIouo8Q4

This is a vocaloid break up song: https://youtu.be/9pQR4a5sisE

The first isn't bad by any means. There's a million break up songs and that's one of the best sad ones. Most are just... angry? Blaming? Empowering? They work fine. They sell records. Many have have a billion views.

But the second one, even with the clunky translation, strikes somewhere deeper. It's written by someone who had enough time ruminating on a break up. The ending hits a little harder, because break up songs are about endings.

Both are sincere, but the first feels more formulaic. I'm inclined to think the first one is the soda.

I feel Suno leans towards this group of songwriters and poets who have something to say. Sora doesn't.

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Post by extr »

root_axis wrote: post #653
azan_ wrote: post #616

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Not because there is no path to profitability (they make a ton of money on inference), they just spend a lot on R&D.

> they make a ton of money on inference So it is stated, but is it actually true? I am not convinced. Besides, it's not as if they can suddenly stop training models, the moment you do that you've spelled a death sentence for profitablity because Google and open source will very quickly undercut a 15 year break even timeline.

It's widely reported and acknowledged as true.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by glass1122 »

One of the best news after a long time, LOL!! Sooner or later expecting more good news from all these AI slops and BS. RIP My Friend. never used SORA or even visited the website. LOL!!

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by muzani »

voidUpdate wrote: post #645
criley2 wrote: post #575

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Modern music has done this to itself. When the human product is already pure corporate slop, it's not hard for AI to compete. Hopefully AI outcompeting humans at slop sparks a renaissance of humans creating truly beautiful human artwork. And if it doesn't, then was anything of value truly lost?

So find music you like that isn't modern corporate slop. My music right now consists mainly of indie stuff I've found on youtube and daft punk. No plagiarism machine needed, just human-made music

"No plagiarism machine needed, just human-made music"

From wikipedia: Many Daft Punk songs feature vocals processed with effects and vocoders including Auto-Tune, a Roland SVC-350 and the Digitech Vocalist. Bangalter said: "A lot of people complain about musicians using Auto-Tune. It reminds me of the late '70s when musicians in France tried to ban the synthesiser. They said it was taking jobs away from musicians. What they didn't see was that you could use those tools in a new way instead of just for replacing the instruments that came before. People are often afraid of things that sound new."

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Post by Terretta »

ifethereal wrote: post #700
WarmWash wrote: post #673

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I'm reminded of a video from the 80's/90's where researchers took a TV to the Amazon to see how "live off the land" tribes reacted to high technology. Apparently they stopped doing everything and just wanted to watch TV all day. And that was just regular old TV. Short form video is a special kind of crack. I see even old people getting hypnotized by it. And even worse, they're terrible at determining if something is…

Can anyone come up with a citation for this? Not to say it's a hallucination, but, to modern standards, if this were publicly funded research, it seems like it would have been a gross violation of ethics or other non-technical criteria. Interested to see how people think of it in later years, e.g., now.

It's a particularly misleading anecdote.

In a sufficiently isolated population, you get the same effect from a sound-making greeting card, or a battery powered light and/or sound toy from a carnival.

And for what it's worth, tomorrow they don't miss whatever “indistinguishable from magic” thing, so no harm done.

// grew up near such areas

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