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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by apsurd »

Waterluvian wrote: post #211
apsurd wrote: post #204

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I get your point but it goes too far in the opposite direction. We should now discuss absolutely nothing in relation to Sora and genAI videos? That seems overly charitable to the platform.

Here, let me try this approach: Read the main comment out loud to yourself while imagining it’s someone sitting at a table at a pub. Now imagine someone turning to this person in the pub, and speaking the subsequent comment, word for word. No seriously, try it out.

Agreed. I did try this out! So the reply to the original comment is dumb. I actually dismissed it for being flippant.

Your reply is more interesting. Hence my (albeit maybe snarky) chiming in. So the original comment does end at a very specific app/sora related conclusion. "Sora didn't keep us coming back."

If I may amend your scenario: imagine this bar is actually in the center of SF or across the street from Open-AI or whatever. We're on HN discussing a post on X about Sora.

The appeal to humanity is not wrong. My point is more let's keep the connection with that humanity in relation to AI, to Sora, to what's going on in this forum.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by shimman »

wholinator2 wrote: post #197
mathattack wrote: post #183

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This is consistent with a lot of AI apps. I fell in love with Gamma and haven’t used it in forever. Same with NotebookLM.

I somewhat consistently use notebookLM for podcasts of academic papers I'm reading in my PhD. You have to go read it yourself afterwards but it makes better use of time in the gym or doing dishes/groceries.

Just listen to actual audio books... literally doing double the work for no benefit... why?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by xienze »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #187
jimmytucson wrote: post #83

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Pretty much mirrors my experience using GPT to generate images creatively. I tried to generate an image to accompany a Robert frost poem and it made something... plausibly related. But not what I was describing. I spent the next 90% of the time making it 10% closer to what I wanted but it never got all the way there. I’ve given it different levels of open-endednes, give this flow chart an aesthetic like this mechanic…

This isn't a solvable problem without world models. Tokenised prompting is like stabbing a pin at a huge target in the dark. Sometimes something interesting falls out, but latent space doesn't have the definition to give most people exactly what they want. When it does, it's more likely to be something popular and unoriginal, where the data is dense, and less likely to be something inventive and strange.

> This isn't a solvable problem without world models.

I wish we could use something like a simple DSL rather than English prose to work with these models, in order to have some real precision to describe what we want.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by oblio »

elif wrote: post #205
gradus_ad wrote: post #67

I thought AI video was the future? Now the biggest AI company in the world is straight up shutting their service down because it's too expensive? Simply a disaster for OpenAI and the industry as a whole.

i think that's a mis-statement of the problem being addressed here. It's not a question of how useful AI video will be generally. It's a question of OpenAI doing it specifically. IMO it's two factors: 1) the intellectual property issues make commercializing freeform video generation impossible. The more popular your service becomes, the easier it is for lawyers to descend upon you. It's a self-defeating framework. 2)…

> the intellectual property issues make commercializing freeform video generation impossible. The more popular your service becomes, the easier it is for lawyers to descend upon you. It's a self-defeating framework.

This risks generalizing to audio and text which would make most LLMs usage unsustainable. I guess time will tell what actually goes through the strainer, long term.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by CamperBob2 »

emp17344 wrote: post #94
Permit wrote: post #88

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I feel like in several years we’ll have much more capable video generation than Sora was capable of and we won’t look back at all.

I feel like you’re wrong. This is a clear signal that generative video is deeply unpopular.

Eventually you won't be able to tell the difference.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by cdrnsf »

If they manage to compete with Anthropic in the enterprise market, are either of them able to reach profitability? To what degree are they subsidizing token usage and how tolerant are enterprise customers of significant price increases?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by apsurd »

dyauspitr wrote: post #219
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #184

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Yes, I'm reading this as a sign of strategic failure and decline. ChatGPT is an interesting product - I like it for certain things - but after last year's PR scramble almost all the news out of OpenAI is a disappointment, with hovering hints of retrenchment.

I still like it as a general search engine and everyday LLM over Gemini. Maybe I’m just used to the style.

agree it's becoming my new default search engine. But it is actively getting worse in a distasteful sense:

    Want to hear the one TRICK most people forget when doing X...?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by bibimsz »

skydhash wrote: post #167
bibimsz wrote: post #65

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Software engineers have spent the last 40 years automating away other people's jobs. The discomfort only seems to start when the automation points inward.

Haven't mechanical engineers done the same thing (steam engines, trains,...)? The whole applied science is about using knowledge to remove tediousness (and now adding it back). A lot of jobs have been removed.

model T factor workers are anti worker

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by dang »

1bpp wrote: post #180
meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

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Please don't cross into personal attack. Your comment would be fine without the swipe at the end.

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