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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by nozzlegear »

alpineman wrote: post #33
_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

At least there is still the rule of law and democracy in the EU

For now – the EU is one AfD win away from following in America's footsteps.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by butILoveLife »

darthcloud wrote: post #213

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by FabCH »

_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

You are technically correct but seem to be applying common law standards to civil law countries.

Unlike common law judiciary, civil law judiciary in and of itself has investigatory powers and judges don’t just hear arguments but can order their own investigations and are significantly more independent than in common law.

This can cut both ways, yes in theory the judge can accept evidence the prosecution obtained illegally, but the judges can also call the prosecutions bluff and call their own witnesses or order an independent expert to provide their own opinion, even if defense is unable to.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by krzyk »

_osud wrote: post #186
icoder wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I think this basically answers this entire sub-thread

Hungary can send an EIO to France or Germany, and the consistent trend has been to reduce the ability of executing states to review these requests.

Sure, those EIO will be held if Hungary starts applying EIO that it got (e.g. for former Ministry of Justice of Poland which awaits trail, he sits comfortably in Hungary).

Let's hope elections there will change Orban into something saner.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by ahtihn »

copper4eva wrote: post #208
s_dev wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? This is a hilarious 'just asking questions' concern that doesn't address the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order it primarily helped build post WWII whi…

His comment did not even mention the US. Only critiquing the authoritarianism going on in the EU. One of the issues with modern politics is everyone wants to deflect.

The post is about moving stuff from US to EU, so it's not like the US is brought up out of nowhere.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

foldr wrote: post #257
_osud wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hungary can send an EIO to France or Germany, and the consistent trend has been to reduce the ability of executing states to review these requests.

There’s a concerning trend of EIOs issued by Hungary being enforced in France and Germany? What would be an example of this?

This is the best I can give you off the top of my head, but look at which countries are the most active in eurojust :) https://www.eurojust.europa.eu/ar2020/data-annex

An LLM can probably find some better links though.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by nozzlegear »

microtonal wrote: post #178
rafram wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The baseline level of freedom of speech in the EU, in particular, is much, much worse than in the US. We’re talking about a group of countries with active, enforced blasphemy laws! Completely unthinkable for Americans.

The US is at position 57 in the world free speech index. Virtually all EU countries do better and a bunch are top 10: https://rsf.org/en/index American exceptionalism doesn’t seem to know boundaries.

You linked to a site about press freedom, which is a subset of free speech and not generally what Americans are talking about when they talk about freedom of speech.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by butILoveLife »

dwedge wrote: post #259
wongarsu wrote: post #220

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I need to host my emails somewhere. This means that you can't reject the EU in isolation, you have to compare it to the alternatives. And the most prevalent alternative is the US Now of course if somebody has a better alternative that's neither in the EU nor US (nor Russia, or China) that'd be interesting to hear about

Anywhere you can rent a VPS or dedicated server, install exim or mox or mailcow. Configure dns correctly and you're good to go

Do any of your emails actually make it into an inbox though? I did this for a server and I couldn't even get it to land in spam on gmail.
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