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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by dangus »

_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

Maybe the motivation is more to stop giving American big tech MAGA fascists money rather than any kind of gain in privacy/security against state level law enforcement.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by nottorp »

p2detar wrote: post #47
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #3

Codeberg is only for FOSS projects. Is there some good European hosting provider for git? I really don't want to self host git.

I self-host Forgejo on a Docker container. Thinking about it, this is actually the right way to go. If you got public projects, then something like Codeberg is in fact the place to go. If you got private projects, why push to someone's cloud-hosted git service at all? Push to your own service like Forgejo and sync backups to a local hard-drive or even online using rclone.

Because I don't mind paying github $4 or $7 and not worry about the admin burden.

Of course, this goes for simpler setups where you only use the git hosting part. Because to switch providers you only have to change the remote and push.

If you got yourself dependent on their other pipelines, it's more complicated.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by PeterStuer »

nottorp wrote: post #162
_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

US legal protections do not apply to EU citizens keeping their data in the US, do they? So what's the point of this comparison, since if I host my data in the US they don't need a warrant at all?

The geo-location of where you keep your data is irrelevant to US legal reach.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by Levitz »

input_sh wrote: post #44
_osud wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there really? Governments routinely go against the ECHR and the ECJ, and do nothing to rectify past violations when ruled against. On a national level, sure.

Considering who we're comparing it to when discussing this topic: absolutely. Not even a question. Anyone claiming otherwise is delusional at best.

A whole lot of websites are inaccessible from my country when there's football on, due to a judicial order meant to curb piracy.

The whole deal with Chat Control is also not to be forgotten. I do think you guys see this place with rose tinted glasses sometimes.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

pjc50 wrote: post #120
_osud wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there really? Governments routinely go against the ECHR and the ECJ, and do nothing to rectify past violations when ruled against. On a national level, sure.

Which cases are you talking about? Compliance with actual court rulings is pretty high.

Want a particularly egregious example? Here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:62...

Police in many EU countries was systematically searching suspects phones without mandatory due process. This was prima facie illegal, everyone involved knew it. They did it regardless.

Yeah, this decision eventually resulted in many governments issuing new guidance, and some countries rewriting their national legislation. Is that a big victory for the rule of law? I think not, the national governments should not be knowingly violating the ECHR in the first place.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by stanac »

Aerroon wrote: post #123
throw0101c wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? (IANAL.) This was reviewed by the courts themselves: > The CJEU confirmed that the Belgian, French and Swedish prosecutors were sufficiently independent from the executive to be able to issue EAWs. […] > […] Public prosecutors will q…

For anyone wondering: EAW = European Arrest Warrant EIO = European Investigative Order (basically lets different jurisdictions demand information from each other) CJEU = Court of Justice of the EU (think of it as a supreme court)

Also IANAL: I Am Not A Lawyer. If you really want to guard yourself from a legal standpoint, write the full sentence. "IANAL" could mean anything.

That being said, I am not a lawyer, I am not a legal professional, this is not a legal advice.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by konradx »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #68
ludvigk wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess when the alternative is Trump's vision of the future ... - at least I know what I would choose.

Trump will be gone in 2028 and policies may radically change depending on who replaces him. There is no change on the horizon in the EU when Von Der Leyen is replaced (she is just the current public face of the blob...)

Do you believe this ? Even if the Americans get out of their zombie existence and get out to vote (on another candidate), I cannot imagine Trump will accept an election loss. (A reminder: The US has had a 24% drop in the Liberal Democracy Index score in just one year and your supreme court is owned)

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by microtonal »

rafram wrote: post #108
alpineman wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least there is still the rule of law and democracy in the EU

The baseline level of freedom of speech in the EU, in particular, is much, much worse than in the US. We’re talking about a group of countries with active, enforced blasphemy laws! Completely unthinkable for Americans.

The US is at position 57 in the world free speech index. Virtually all EU countries do better and a bunch are top 10:

https://rsf.org/en/index

American exceptionalism doesn’t seem to know boundaries.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by PeterStuer »

dragochat wrote: post #86

how about the OPPOSITE problem: _anyone knows of any non-EU AND non-US email providers_? with email accounts as the roots of trust for many things, i'd really wanna know how can I get a trustworthy one not-attached to eithern an unstable system (US), or a very overregulating one like the EU juristictions... and ofc, non-CN too

I'm using Zoho (Indian company, hosted in Europe). Maybe not perfect from a geopolitical pov, but it will do for now.
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