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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by mvdwoord »

ktta wrote: post #4
sph wrote: post #2

I'm also pretty much using 100% EU services except FastMail. Nothing against the Aussies, but I'd rather use something local, with servers within the EU. But I don't think there's anything as good as Fastmail this side of the pond, and I'm not prepared to compromise on this just yet. I might self-host email despite all the dangers the day FM decides to enshittify itself.

ProtonMail? Not strictly speaking EU, but atleast EEA It also comes with a whole suite of software that you don't have to find EU alternatives for like Calendar, Drive, Password manager, etc

I just onboarded and was dumbfounded that they do not allow for proper calendar exposure other than a fully public link! The claim of zero knowledge is super cute, for those that need it, but I need a provider which allows me to integrate the calendar elsewhere, as those will not magically move into Proton. I guess I am not in their target market.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by vertnerd »

Used Chromebooks are plentiful and cheap on eBay and many of them are easy to convert to Linux using the tools and instructions at https://docs.mrchromebox.tech/. I used to have a house full of Chromebooks, but now all but one of them are Linux laptops. My favorite is the Acer CP713 because it comes in flavors with lots of RAM and drive space. I also prefer the convertible touchscreen models because they can go on a shelf and make cheap and attractive Home Assistant dashboards.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by alpineman »

_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

At least there is still the rule of law and democracy in the EU

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by petcat »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #3

Codeberg is only for FOSS projects. Is there some good European hosting provider for git? I really don't want to self host git.

devault made sourcehut which I think is hosted in the netherlands

https://sr.ht

I tried it once, it's very opinionated and may not be suitable for what a lot of people think of when they're coming from something like Github. The required old-school patch-by-mail thing is a blocker for a lot of people.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by noosphr »

andix wrote: post #28
_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

No system is perfect. It's more a theoretical risk for now, if you're not running a shady business.

The police will of course decide if you are running a shady business.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

alpineman wrote: post #33
_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

At least there is still the rule of law and democracy in the EU

Is there really? Governments routinely go against the ECHR and the ECJ, and do nothing to rectify past violations when ruled against.

On a national level, sure.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _pdp_ »

Our company started migrating our tech stack from USA to EU. We are about 90% there with a few small dependencies that could be resolved but we have not yet tackled.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by [deleted] »

_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by microtonal »

sobiolite wrote: post #5

I’m not with I could ever migrate away from Gmail, even if I wanted to. I have so many accounts and services linked to it.

Don't make the same mistake again, get a domain so that you can keep using the same address when switching between providers. Then set up GMail to forward e-mail to your new address. Then slowly update the E-mail address in your account. You could even set up a label that gets attached to e-mails that arrived through your GMail address. In that way, you can easily see the stuff that still needs to be updated.

Untangling yourself from Google (or Apple, which is similarly hard), doesn't have to be all at once. Break it up in small steps that feel like individual wins.

One more note about using your own domain: avoid provider-specifict features like subdomain addressing (made it more work for me to move off Fastmail).

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by Rygian »

_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

Valid question, which must be put in the context of US-based providers willingly satisfying US out-of-jurisdiction search requests for EU data without even letting the EU know about it. (And when the providers are not willing, they can be forced by U.S. Cloud Act)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2025/07/22/micro...

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