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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by icfly2 »

y-curious wrote: post #191
_osud wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not advertising the US here or trying to troll. I'm an European pointing out things about the European system that many here will not have thought about. >It's a complete false equivalence. ICE agents have straight up murdered two US citizens in broad daylight without consequence and you're querying the nature of some search warrants in the EU. Maybe keep your US nonsense to yourself?

I’m in the US and generally pretty level-headed. Nothing makes me become a red-blooded patriot nationalist temporarily faster than seeing Europeans completely ignore the similarities in our political ills. It always boils down to, “but it’s the good kind of authoritarianism we have that preserves social order!!!” as if that has never failed to produce desired results. Thanks for being much more rational. We have a co…

Sorry what? While there are right wing idiots in various governments in the EU, the Trump admin is on a completely different level. Also the bosses of big tech are clamouring over each other to s** him off.

I’m not particularly patriotic or bothered about nations in general, but the yanks can go take a hike.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by generic92034 »

_osud wrote: post #50
deaux wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a downside against EU services when compared to the US, so what are you actually suggesting? Don't just vaguely hint at stuff. Should we be moving to Singaporean services? Oh shit, similar concerns there. Okay, where do you suggest we move? If you don't have any suggestions then there's little substance behind what you're saying.

>This isn't a point against EU services compared to the US In the US the cops actually need a search warrant signed by a judge. In the EU they only sometimes need one. >Should we be moving to Singaporean services? Oh shit, similar concerns there Really? I've always been under the impression that it is courts who issue search warrants in Singapore, not the police or prosecutors.

A judge of a secret court, which are known to never deny any request?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by darthcloud »

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications.

My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways.

They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies are in the US, and I feel they would happily move there if needed.

I started with this:

Gmail / Drive → Proton Mail / Drive

NameCheap / GoDaddy → Infomaniak

Google Maps → TomTom

Google Chrome → Vivaldi

Google Search → Startpage (Vivaldi default)

GitHub → Codeberg & Codefloe (for private)

I do like Proton Mail. The main thing I hate is how often the app and web versions get out of sync for read and archive states.

I’m really happy with Infomaniak, migrating all my domains was a breeze.

Vivaldi is based on the Chrome codebase, but I really love all the extra customization options. It was a very easy switch.

Startpage took me some time to get used to. It’s not as good as Google, but whatever.

TomTom isn’t great, but it’s not like Maps has been great over the last few years either.

Forgejo is much better than what GitHub has become.

Next, I’m thinking of moving away from Google Photos. I’m considering pCloud for that.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by heavyset_go »

_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

> What Is An Administrative Warrant?

> An administrative warrant is a legal document issued by a government agency, rather than a court, that authorizes the agency to take specific actions such as conducting inspections, searches, or seizing property. Unlike judicial warrants, administrative warrants are frequently issued on less than probable cause of a crime.

> Administrative warrants are typically used for regulatory or civil enforcement purposes and allow agencies to enforce rules and regulations within their jurisdiction, such as health inspections, building code enforcement, or immigration-related actions.

> The problem with administrative warrants is that they make the agency both the prosecutor and the judge in the very same matter. The entire point of having agencies go to court for a warrant is because courts are an independent branch with an independent mission. Rather than solely focusing on identifying and prosecuting violations of law, courts seek to check agency errors and overreach. When the very same agency that wants to execute a warrant is the one deciding whether it issues, those checks disappear, and Americans’ security pays the price.

https://ij.org/issues/ijs-project-on-the-4th-amendment/admin...

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by knorker »

sime2009 wrote: post #83
brandrick wrote: post #30

Proton ticks a few of those boxes for me. Mail, VPN, Cal.

proton.me? That is in Switzerland, not the EU.

The stated reason in the article seems like Switzerland should be as good as EU, if not better.

> I have decided to move as many services and subscriptions as possible from non-EU countries to the EU or to switch to European service providers. The reasons for this are the current global political situation and improved data protection.

"or switch to European service providers". EU or not, CH is still in Europe, so would qualify?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by surgical_fire »

_osud wrote: post #163
surgical_fire wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally comfortable. While the EIO is s controversial instrument (I particularly dislike the excessive power it gives to authorities in issuing countries and the inability to question the warrant), it at least is something that happens as part of a judicial process. I'm certainly more comfortable with it than being subject to the whims of the US government and its 3 letter agencies. That said, yeah, EIO in the shap…

>it at least is something that happens as part of a judicial process Only sort of, because some countries have very weird ideas of what a "judicial process" is. >I'm certainly more comfortable with it than being subject to the whims of the US government and its 3 letter agencies. That's fair, but I think it's a mistake. In the worst case the European system grants a village cop in another country the authority to con…

> That's fair, but I think it's a mistake

I obviously don't share the sentiment.

> village cop in another country the authority to conduct extremely intrusive surveillance on you.

> far more realistic threat for most people than the NSA.

If you think some policeman in a rural Frech village is a bigger threat to your freedom than NSA or other 3-letter agencies from the USA, we can all see who is mistaken in evaluating threats.

> Criminals can easily co-opt this system and steal your crypto or whatever

I don't want to say anything, I just wanted to highlight this bit because it made me giggle.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by verisimi »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #200
dragochat wrote: post #92

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...also migrating AWAY from Fastmail (Australian) and TO an European provider sounds like a very bad idea - I'd kind of want both the US and the EU legally away from my coms at all costs (!)

As EU citizen I at least got some influence into EU policy. A government far away doesn't even have to pretend to care about me.

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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by wongarsu »

copper4eva wrote: post #208
s_dev wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? This is a hilarious 'just asking questions' concern that doesn't address the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order it primarily helped build post WWII whi…

His comment did not even mention the US. Only critiquing the authoritarianism going on in the EU. One of the issues with modern politics is everyone wants to deflect.

I need to host my emails somewhere. This means that you can't reject the EU in isolation, you have to compare it to the alternatives. And the most prevalent alternative is the US

Now of course if somebody has a better alternative that's neither in the EU nor US (nor Russia, or China) that'd be interesting to hear about

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