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Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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post #179

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As long as they weren't under-age I could tolerate a couple of Russian prostitutes peeing on him in exchange for a commercially viable Nokia handset business.

Anyone with the means to travel to Epstein's private island had the means to travel to a place where prostitution is legal and do what you want with legitimacy. You only would have gone through him if you wanted someone trafficked. Age of the "prostitute" can only make association worse, never OK.

I think this person is joking. For one, they're mixing metaphors between Epstein and the rumored Trump pee tape, then tying it into Nokia where neither seems to apply.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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I've been using Jolla/Sailfish since the first launch, totally love it. Apropos of the fact that nobody ever shows the actual OS, I did do a video showing the actual OS, if anyone wants to see it being used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pMfezSulhw To me this is way ahead of iOS/Android, the native browser sucks, and it requires some massaging to get everything running smoothly, but the UX is second to none. That…

Good video, thanks. What was that yellow phone in the video?

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Beats me why banks can't use a FIDO2 enabled web site.

Banks used to give us those RSA tokens in the past for securely logging in to the web UI, but then discovered they can cut down on cost since everyone has two brands of smartphones.

No doubt. At least with FIDO2, people can provide their own hardware key, and get real security rather than a rolling number generated by a compromised algorithm [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_SecurID#March_2011_system_...

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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> Smartphone apps have unfortunately become a hard requirement for basic day-to-day activities. I've never owned a smartphone in my life and are not planning on getting one, and I'm going through life just fine.

Maybe you don't live in any European country. 2FA with cell phone has become compulsory for most banking procedures in Spain, to the point that I can even no longer assist my parents without being present there with them. Even when there is a web app, this randomly forces the user to confirm identity via phone. Every day this extends to more and more official proceduress these days (e.g. loging to EU pages, regional…

In two banks I was in in last 20 years before and after Payment Services Directive implementation, I was a secondary user to the account. I could do almost anything on the account which saved my mother lots of stress. It's enough for her to check balance and outgoing transactions and rest lies in my hands. Wouldn't that help you as well?

In Poland we have a rather well-functioning digital services platform. Tho, two weeks ago news outlets raised a small tantrum that our digital identity wallet application may be non-compliant with the upcoming EU standards. But as for now, once you log into the application (there are few ways - ID card with chip, 3rd party login by bank and so on), the session is kept for a year. After that's done you can log on desktops by QR code or pass data from app to app.

mObywatel app tries to include all the essentials: from digital ID copy (identity confirm, validation for you and someone else) your DNI-equivalent protection (won't allow to process your personal information in some cases). There's healthcare services handling (prescriptions, but we also have a dedicated app), inbox/outbox for official matters, payments and taxes, section for car and vehicles (penalty points, accident reporting), environment (reporting accidents, air quality, flood alerts) and travel (rail tickets wallet, tips and warning for traveling destinations - atm it shows that Spain is on 4th level terrorist threat). Tbh, it's way better than used to be few years ago with complex login flow that could break midway.

It's all convenient stuff but older generations are already digitally marginalized and we may indeed head into the future where we won't be able to do anything without a smartphone, in both real and digital life.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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I think the EU in general is shortsighted if they don’t spend resources to complete what they already have for basic technology of their own: phone, telcom infra, AI models, cloud providers, etc.

I would say the same for global south. I am a US citizen, but the rest of the world is crazy to depend so much on US and China.

The phone looks good. I have looked at GrapheneOS, but not Jolla.

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Modern full-stack alternatives exist. I've been daily driving a Librem 5 running a Debian derivative for years.

That wasn't modern when they released it in 2020. Jolla chose a little more pragmatism for their hardware in the hope that they actually sell phones to other people than 100% open-source purists. I find it funny when dudes like you go all "well awkshwally" on them...

It sure was, it's a 2019 design with a 2018 SoC - but you may want to read the comments you reply to again, as that's hardly the point.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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post #178

I've been using Jolla/Sailfish since the first launch, totally love it. Apropos of the fact that nobody ever shows the actual OS, I did do a video showing the actual OS, if anyone wants to see it being used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pMfezSulhw To me this is way ahead of iOS/Android, the native browser sucks, and it requires some massaging to get everything running smoothly, but the UX is second to none. That…

Good video, thanks. What was that yellow phone in the video?

Nokia banana phone (8110) running Gerda Linux.

https://archive.luxferre.top/gerdaos

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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I would strongly advise do not spend any money on Jolla devices. Check their history of Tablet and other preorder products?

100s of donors were stiffed of greater than half the money they put into their crowdfunding for the phones, and the jolla folks were all like 'be happy we gave you any back' and then went on to pour the investors' money into other failed projects.

yes, stay away and don't help jolla do anything. they are charlatans.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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I don't understand how the physical privacy switch can also be user configurable. Wouldn't configurability mean it's a software privacy switch?

It couple physically disable camera + mic + whatever, and ALSO have hooks that enable you to do extra things with it in software?

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Modern full-stack alternatives exist. I've been daily driving a Librem 5 running a Debian derivative for years.

That wasn't modern when they released it in 2020. Jolla chose a little more pragmatism for their hardware in the hope that they actually sell phones to other people than 100% open-source purists. I find it funny when dudes like you go all "well awkshwally" on them...

I use my Librem 5 as a daily driver, and I’m certainly not an open source purist.

What I do care about is that my phone isn’t going to run into obsolescence a few years down the road (due to hard kernel forks and YOLO’ed device drivers that are not going to be updated for newer kernels).

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