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Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by asveikau »

koiueo wrote: post #119
Zigurd wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Burning the boats," in the form of getting rid of Jolla (and whatever happened to Meego) is one of those management aphorisms that needs to die. As it turns out, having an alternative to Windows phone would've been a better decision. No guarantee of success, but less of an irrecoverable failure at least. Where is that Elop guy now?

Enjoying his golden parachute

I'll say one good thing in hindsight about Elop. He's not all over the Epstein files like another MS executive of the era.

Edit: Wow, I tried to be discrete and not mention him by name but I notice every time I mention Steven Sinofsky was close to Epstein I get downvoted a lot here. Look at this one I found searching for "elop" for example: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA006576...

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Post by postdoc74 »

kleiba wrote: post #138
crote wrote: post #31

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Everything hinges on app support. Smartphone apps have unfortunately become a hard requirement for basic day-to-day activities. Most companies offer them only for iOS and Android. If your smartphone can't run the vast majority of apps, it is basically dead on arrival. Nobody is going to buy it when they need to carry another phone anyways. The only way around this is either emulation (which Google is trying very hard…

> Smartphone apps have unfortunately become a hard requirement for basic day-to-day activities. I've never owned a smartphone in my life and are not planning on getting one, and I'm going through life just fine.

Maybe you don't live in any European country. 2FA with cell phone has become compulsory for most banking procedures in Spain, to the point that I can even no longer assist my parents without being present there with them. Even when there is a web app, this randomly forces the user to confirm identity via phone. Every day this extends to more and more official proceduress these days (e.g. loging to EU pages, regional government paperwork, access to hospital records and prescriptions...), and unfortunately it seems to me that the phone as official ID might be the future. In this scenario, projects like this one cannot be really useful without some standardization or layer that makes it acceptable by the government.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by AlecSchueler »

johanvts wrote: post #118
craftkiller wrote: post #104

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How would you have a user-configurable switch that physically disconnects things? The mechanism for that sounds complex. I'm not a hardware person, but I imagine you'd need to route the traces for each possible component to the switch and then have like a dip switch panel to control which behaviors are controlled by the switch. Either that or a software-controlled equivalent to a dip switch panel that can only be con…

Im not a hardware person either, but ex the button physically turns off the canera, and software polls for camera power and can respond

That makes sense but it's also just a guess. The quote above would be equally applicable to an entirely software option that is toggled with a physical switch rather than an option in a menu.

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Post by mariusor »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #168
mariusor wrote: post #122

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I'm sure that if you tell Jolla about a relatively modern mobile SOC with mainline linux support, they'll look into it instead of relying on libhybris.

They can rely on libhybris if they want, why should I care - I just object to calling that "a full-stack alternative", especially when alternatives do exist.

Modern SOC alternatives for a phone that can be used as a daily driver? Please do tell...

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Post by miramba »

bloomingeek wrote: post #143
miramba wrote: post #88

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A question I ask rather here than on that old thread: Is it possible to attach a monitor, mouse and keyboard to a jolla phone with sailfish and run a linux desktop?

I have a NexPhone on order for this very reason. I can't wait to see how it will work out.

Thanks, this looks very interesting! For reference: https://nexphone.com/

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Post by seba_dos1 »

mariusor wrote: post #174
seba_dos1 wrote: post #168

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They can rely on libhybris if they want, why should I care - I just object to calling that "a full-stack alternative", especially when alternatives do exist.

Modern SOC alternatives for a phone that can be used as a daily driver? Please do tell...

Modern full-stack alternatives exist. I've been daily driving a Librem 5 running a Debian derivative for years.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by _Tomas »

I've been using Jolla/Sailfish since the first launch, totally love it.

Apropos of the fact that nobody ever shows the actual OS, I did do a video showing the actual OS, if anyone wants to see it being used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pMfezSulhw

To me this is way ahead of iOS/Android, the native browser sucks, and it requires some massaging to get everything running smoothly, but the UX is second to none. That fact well supported by how many features have been copied by Apple/Google over the years.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by Zigurd »

asveikau wrote: post #171
koiueo wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enjoying his golden parachute

I'll say one good thing in hindsight about Elop. He's not all over the Epstein files like another MS executive of the era. Edit: Wow, I tried to be discrete and not mention him by name but I notice every time I mention Steven Sinofsky was close to Epstein I get downvoted a lot here. Look at this one I found searching for "elop" for example: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA006576...

As long as they weren't under-age I could tolerate a couple of Russian prostitutes peeing on him in exchange for a commercially viable Nokia handset business.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by rekabis »

>99 € down payment — deducted from final price, fully refundable

Uhhhh… so why isn’t that final price stated, even provisionally?

I mean, if it’s going to be a 300€ phone, imma gonna bite. But if it’s going to be a 500+€ phone, I am going to want to know ahead of time. I don’t like surprises where cost is concerned. Leaves a very bad taste in the mouth.

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