What does it mean it's "governed by European privacy". Isn't Europe who wants to prevent privacy with things like Chat Control?
Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative
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#142No headphone jack?
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#143HN discussion from four months ago, including reports from people who have been using Jolla phones for some time (e.g., me): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45785840
A question I ask rather here than on that old thread: Is it possible to attach a monitor, mouse and keyboard to a jolla phone with sailfish and run a linux desktop?
I have a NexPhone on order for this very reason. I can't wait to see how it will work out.
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#144What does it mean it's "governed by European privacy". Isn't Europe who wants to prevent privacy with things like Chat Control?
EU has GDPR. US has the Cloud Act.
Chat Control is a proposal. The other two above are established regulations on either side of the Atlantic.
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#145What does it mean it's "governed by European privacy". Isn't Europe who wants to prevent privacy with things like Chat Control?
Given that it has been struck down multiple times now, it's the minority of European Union members. Making a blanket statement of "Europe" (which btw is not the same as EU) is just insulting.
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#146Hmm, die deutsche Version der Seite ist nicht anderes - vielleicht ein Bug?
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is not innocent like this. In this context European is not simply used as a geographical designation of origin. No one says that Samsung or Huawei phones are Asian alternatives to iPhone.
If it had any marketing power, people would say that also.
It doesn't have, because no one sane thinks there is some Asia in other sense than geographical, yet many people believe there is some Europe that can have its own smartphone or other alternatives.
In all practical ways Jolla is as foreign to Romanian or French person as Apple is, because their domestic officials and institutions have zero control over it the same way they have zero control over Apple.
Unless, of course, they are blinded by some big yet empty words of European unity, as many here are.
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#148The most important question missing from the FAQ is whether bank apps, government ID apps, etc. will work with this phone.
Everything hinges on app support. Smartphone apps have unfortunately become a hard requirement for basic day-to-day activities. Most companies offer them only for iOS and Android. If your smartphone can't run the vast majority of apps, it is basically dead on arrival. Nobody is going to buy it when they need to carry another phone anyways. The only way around this is either emulation (which Google is trying very hard…
Although I haven't held one in my hands, apparently there's Flutter support for Harmony OS. There are quite a lot of mobile apps implemented in Flutter and Dart, and platform support for alternative phone OSs looks doable.
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#149What does it mean it's "governed by European privacy". Isn't Europe who wants to prevent privacy with things like Chat Control?
Chat Control was nowhere near to become law. Last Fall, they would have voted about whether they really talk about it, but even that failed. Even if it would have been successful, nothing would have guaranteed that it becomes a law, or that it wouldn’t have been watered down completely. And the whole topic was kept alive somehow when it was well known even in September that the proposal was dead, because Germany doesn’t support it, and they didn’t have the necessary number of votes. Yet, there were articles even in November which stated that Germany decided only at that time that they don’t support it, which was obviously not true. It seemed to me like an artificial bubble of outrage. It was a bad proposal, so the outrage was needed until September. It’s just strange that people still pretend that it’s not dead half year after it became impossible to even consider it in the parliament.
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#150We need this, an alternative to Apple and Google.
I guess this is a descendent of my 16 year old Nokia N900, and probably the best phone I had. It ran the Maemo operating system, and its UI was a forerunner to a lot of what is current. It also had a built in, full, terminal.