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Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by rekabis »

oytis wrote: post #15

The most important question missing from the FAQ is whether bank apps, government ID apps, etc. will work with this phone.

The need to support apps - when you are constantly internet-connected anyhow - is becoming less and less important. You can now pin many websites to your phone’s “desktop” and have them run identically to native apps, and sometimes with even better start-up performance.

So long as a service is being provided identically on a mobile website as it is in a native app, you can pin that website and get just the same experience without needing a native app.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by rekabis »

wackget wrote: post #151

I'm deeply saddened that they didn't add a 3.5mm audio/headphone jack. There was a community poll and I believe a headphone jack was the second-most requested feature after a MicroSD slot. I appreciate they have to draw a line under the feature set somewhere, however the cost of an audio jack is literal pennies and I'm quite sure the PCB designers could have squeezed it in somewhere. As someone who has no interest in…

>they didn't add a 3.5mm audio/headphone jack.

This works wonderfully in quiet environments. But the moment you have any significant background noise, and need noise-cancelling headphones, this ends up being useless because no headsets do noise cancelling over a headphone jack - only internal batteries or USB connectivity.

Even with those rare wired-optional headsets that accept headphone cords, the noise cancelling functionality gets shut off the moment you plug the headphone jack in.

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Post by card_zero »

miramba wrote: post #88
raphman wrote: post #18

HN discussion from four months ago, including reports from people who have been using Jolla phones for some time (e.g., me): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45785840

A question I ask rather here than on that old thread: Is it possible to attach a monitor, mouse and keyboard to a jolla phone with sailfish and run a linux desktop?

It looks like keyboard works, mouse works when some settings are set, monitor doesn't.

https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/q-enable-external-keyboard-mo...

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by mariusor »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #176
mariusor wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modern SOC alternatives for a phone that can be used as a daily driver? Please do tell...

Modern full-stack alternatives exist. I've been daily driving a Librem 5 running a Debian derivative for years.

That wasn't modern when they released it in 2020. Jolla chose a little more pragmatism for their hardware in the hope that they actually sell phones to other people than 100% open-source purists. I find it funny when dudes like you go all "well awkshwally" on them...

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Post by joe_mamba »

pjmlp wrote: post #140
joe_mamba wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hold on a second, let's backtrack. First you say you can "tell stories about the factory rampdowns", then when pressed to tell those stories you say you can't "because of NDAs" .... from 20 years ago on a business that's now defunct ... not sure how any of that would be enforceable today, leading me to believe you're either chasing clout for upvotes, or bs-ing. But OK, sure, let's ignore all that for now and move to…

I guess it is too hard to find stuff like, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2008-01-17/germany-r... Followed by a couple of years later, https://balkaninsight.com/2011/09/30/nokia-leaves-romania-in... Or I might suggest reading stuff like https://yle.fi/a/3-6886400 The rest, think whatever you feel like.

>I guess it is too hard to find stuff like, Followed by a couple of years later

Why are you sharing links to things I already said I knew? I was was asking if you can share things that aren't on google.

All that shows how EU and Nokia moved manufacturing out of the EU out of greed and mismanagement. And now people ask why phones made in the EU cost crazy money.

>Or I might suggest reading stuff like https://yle.fi/a/3-6886400

Wow, the ex-CEO of Nokia said that "the thing that failed was a bad idea", wow hindsight 20/20, most genious CEO ever. Now if mister Megamind CEO here could tell us what would have been the alternative better things Nokia should have done instead, in order to NOT fail, that would actually be interesting.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by vincenzothgreat »

_Tomas wrote: post #178

I've been using Jolla/Sailfish since the first launch, totally love it. Apropos of the fact that nobody ever shows the actual OS, I did do a video showing the actual OS, if anyone wants to see it being used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pMfezSulhw To me this is way ahead of iOS/Android, the native browser sucks, and it requires some massaging to get everything running smoothly, but the UX is second to none. That…

I appreciate the video, thank you!!

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

Zigurd wrote: post #179
asveikau wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll say one good thing in hindsight about Elop. He's not all over the Epstein files like another MS executive of the era. Edit: Wow, I tried to be discrete and not mention him by name but I notice every time I mention Steven Sinofsky was close to Epstein I get downvoted a lot here. Look at this one I found searching for "elop" for example: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA006576...

As long as they weren't under-age I could tolerate a couple of Russian prostitutes peeing on him in exchange for a commercially viable Nokia handset business.

Anyone with the means to travel to Epstein's private island had the means to travel to a place where prostitution is legal and do what you want with legitimacy. You only would have gone through him if you wanted someone trafficked. Age of the "prostitute" can only make association worse, never OK.

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Post by megous »

wolvesechoes wrote: post #80
megous wrote: post #78

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It all starts with open formats, open data and open apis. Unless this is somehow guaranteed by law for interaction with public entities, it's going to be hard for any FOSS projects or independent apps/developers. Without that, we have a situation where almost every bank tries to shove their stupid android app in your face so they can more easily track you. They also force you to their authentication mechanisms, inste…

Support for open formats and data is also question of policy.

Am I saying something else?
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