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Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by microtonal »

ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #44
ggm wrote: post #29

Will the sandboxed google play permit banking apps to work using TPM and secured credentials? Is it even possible to store secure credentials properly? I would expect whatever you initialised before grapheneOS is wiped before you can run the alternate OS. Is termux possible with a root/sudo function?

My banking app works fine on GrapheneOS today, but not every banking app does. If it depends on Google Play Integrity with strong integrity it won't because Google has successfully sold the blatant anti-competitive lie that you need to vendor lock-in your users to their OS to get security on mobile. Secured credentials work fine, everything works fine except stuff that by design is locked in to Google like Google Pay…

And if a bank does this, tell them that they can do remote attestation for GrapheneOS phones as well:

https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

bayindirh wrote: post #246
neya wrote: post #216

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This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

If this translates to longer device retention (if you enable battery changes, a current gen device can easily last a decade), people will care. $200 phone that you can use for 5+ years without handicapping the user will be a much bigger hit. This translates well to the boots paradox. This can change "cheaper is much more expensive in the long run" to "cheaper is a bit more expensive on the long run". This, of course,…

> boots paradox

For those that don’t know what they meant, here you go[0].

I’ve always been a fan of Quality, but Quality costs, and people that get rich, generally do so, by selling lots of lower-quality stuff. Hard to compete against.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory

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Post by AnssiH »

raincole wrote: post #239
holgerschurig wrote: post #196

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You have a very narrow view of the EU. The EU isn't a single body, dictated by some common mind. We have the EU Parliament, the EU Council, the EU Commission. Often they have different views in itself (e.g. factions in EU Parliament, or commissars in the commission that are more end-user-friendly vs. ones that are move business-friendly). And the EU Council (the ring of head-of-member-states) is more often than not j…

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ If out of 720 MEPs, 568 are supporting Chat Control, then yes, I think it's very fair to say "The EU wants...".

That site lists many of candidates as "support" just because they have not publicly opposed, so it is not a realistic view on the opinions of EU parliament. Better to look at actual votes cast.

Also, they are not distinguishing between supporting mandatory monitoring and other forms (e.g. present legal situation where monitoring is allowed).

The current proposals do not include mandatory monitoring. If mandatory chatcontrol had the wide support that site suggests, it would have been introduced and passed long ago.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by trashb »

sourcecodeplz wrote: post #183
adrian_b wrote: post #175

Motorola was already in my top position in the list of possible upgrades for my old (ASUS) phone, for providing at moderate prices USB 3 connectivity and DisplayPort 1.4 that allows the connection of an external monitor, for a desktop mode. With this announcement, Motorola has consolidated its top position, making it unlikely for me to choose something else.

What do you mean desktop mode? I though only Samsung Android phones had that, called Samsung DeX.

Motorolla has had a similar desktop experience for a while. For example my Moto G100 has this feature since 2021. It actually works quite good, I really liked that your touchscreen turns into a mousepad in these modes.

I believe it is called "Motorolla Ready For" the marketing is not great (a bit confusing name if you ask me).

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by stavros »

raincole wrote: post #239
holgerschurig wrote: post #196

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You have a very narrow view of the EU. The EU isn't a single body, dictated by some common mind. We have the EU Parliament, the EU Council, the EU Commission. Often they have different views in itself (e.g. factions in EU Parliament, or commissars in the commission that are more end-user-friendly vs. ones that are move business-friendly). And the EU Council (the ring of head-of-member-states) is more often than not j…

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ If out of 720 MEPs, 568 are supporting Chat Control, then yes, I think it's very fair to say "The EU wants...".

If it's been trying to get passed for years and hasn't yet, I think it's fair to say the EU very much doesn't want.

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Post by smeej »

linker3000 wrote: post #74
roysting wrote: post #41

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> Motorola makes great hardware too Do they? I genuinely don’t know because I don’t think I have ever seen a Motorola smartphone in the wild and their heavy involvement with the police and surveillance state has my attention piqued a bit. I’m just saying GrapheneOS partnering with possibly the biggest police state surveillance solutions provider? What’s that all about?

The Motorola phones are generally good performers and value for money. My only gripe is that they cannot have their batteries replaced easily - even by phone repair shops. I understand that this is because you have to disassemble / un-glue the phones through the front and remove the display. For this reason, the repair shops I have asked have said they don't 'do' Motorola phones because there's too much risk in break…

That's a disappointing change. I had a Moto G Play a few years ago (the one where you could swap different modules on the back, like a projector and things), and its battery was really easy to replace.

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Post by AlienRobot »

pentae wrote: post #152
dmos62 wrote: post #131

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70% of the world runs on Android. Do you think they get their banking information stolen every 6 months?

A quick search resulted in this: "Android malware saw a 67% increase in 2025, with over 40 million downloads of malicious apps targeting banking and stealing data, frequently hiding in "Tools" and utility apps on the Google Play Store." So no, I don't think that's a small amount of risk, even if there's billions of Android users in the wild. Especially considering how much money can be stolen from peoples bank accoun…

Much of this could be solved if the base system simply came with basic utilities.

Windows XP had an audio recording app and most people didn't even have microphones. Now we have smartphones that don't have a way to record audio as a file or even write text notes built into the system, forcing you to use third-party tools that can be maliscious.

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Post by monooso »

pentae wrote: post #152
dmos62 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

70% of the world runs on Android. Do you think they get their banking information stolen every 6 months?

A quick search resulted in this: "Android malware saw a 67% increase in 2025, with over 40 million downloads of malicious apps targeting banking and stealing data, frequently hiding in "Tools" and utility apps on the Google Play Store." So no, I don't think that's a small amount of risk, even if there's billions of Android users in the wild. Especially considering how much money can be stolen from peoples bank accoun…

A source for your claim would be helpful. Here's an alternative take, with source:

> In Q2 2025, the number of attacks involving malware, adware, and unwanted software decreased compared to Q1.

https://securelist.com/malware-report-q2-2025-mobile-statist...

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