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Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by xnorswap »

embedding-shape wrote: post #219
xnorswap wrote: post #186

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I see that's from almost 10 years ago, it would be interesting to see how that's changed with improvements to V8, python and C# since. Also, Typescript 5 times worse than Javascript? That doesn't really make sense, since they share the same runtime.

Why is that so unbelievable? TypeScript isn't JavaScript, and while they have the same runtime, compiled TypeScript often don't look like how you'd solve the same problem in vanilla JS, where you'd leverage the dynamic typing rather than trying to work around it. See this example as one demonstration: https://www.typescriptlang.org/play/?q=8#example/enums The TS code looks very different from the JS code (which obvio…

Enums are one of only a few places where there is significant deviation, I don't believe that makes it 400% less efficient.

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Post by infecto »

Silhouette wrote: post #195
gck1 wrote: post #171

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We see that market is very irrational now and it can stay irrational for long enough to destroy everything we know in tech. By the time market figures things out, you may no longer have services, and hardware that you use daily. When such amounts of stupid money are pumped into a single industry, even if all AI companies went out of business tomorrow, it's going to take years for things to go back to normal. FWIW, I'…

What we're seeing is the natural conclusion of VC distortion in a market. There is so much money being pumped into AI speculatively now that it's hurting normal and sustainable businesses in other parts of the economy. The solution might have to be mandatory rationing of some kind to avoid a situation where only a handful of AI giants are able to buy essential components. We can't just throw the rest of the economy u…

I think that’s a massive stretch. What we are seeing is a new frontier in tech that nobody knows where it will land yet. Hyperscalers see a future where if they don’t build now that they might be left behind.

Absolutely VC money is flowing around but I think it’s unclear where the cards fall yet.

Not sure what you would regulate here. I hate the tripe that America and China are at war but I do think it’s not a great decision to stop the current work the west is doing as China is pushing full steam ahead.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

octoclaw wrote: post #235

Running a small project on Hetzner from Germany. Got the email this morning. Honestly, even after the increase their dedicated boxes are still absurdly cheap compared to what you'd pay at AWS or GCP for equivalent specs. The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. I priced out a RAM upgrade for my home ser…

> That's not normal market dynamics.

It is, in fact, normal market dynamics.

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Post by tsak »

octoclaw wrote: post #235

Running a small project on Hetzner from Germany. Got the email this morning. Honestly, even after the increase their dedicated boxes are still absurdly cheap compared to what you'd pay at AWS or GCP for equivalent specs. The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. I priced out a RAM upgrade for my home ser…

But aren't those the same startups that think they need to run on AWS EKS instead of using a single cheap server? The cheapest used Hetzner server currently is €39.24 / month:

- Intel Core i7-6700 - 32 GB - 2 x 480 GB Datacenter SSD - 1 GB/s - 20 TB traffic

Their VPS are even cheaper. And you can run a lot on this.

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Post by infecto »

gck1 wrote: post #257
infecto wrote: post #225

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Sounds like hyperbole. Yes the world is connected yes we are seeing shortages, yes the market is imperfect and it lags but this is how things get fixed. Prices are sorted out, manufacturers make bets on long term capacity. Some will be losers, some will be winners.

Market is fixing it. Memory makers prioritized HBM and enterprise NAND, some, like Crucial, went out of consumer business entirely. At the same time, the rational market is behaving rationally - they're not increasing production because they're fearing AI bubble could burst, leaving them with oversupply and expensive factories. The market, apart from AI market, is behaving exactly as it's designed and as it should. B…

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Post by embedding-shape »

xnorswap wrote: post #261
embedding-shape wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that so unbelievable? TypeScript isn't JavaScript, and while they have the same runtime, compiled TypeScript often don't look like how you'd solve the same problem in vanilla JS, where you'd leverage the dynamic typing rather than trying to work around it. See this example as one demonstration: https://www.typescriptlang.org/play/?q=8#example/enums The TS code looks very different from the JS code (which obvio…

Enums are one of only a few places where there is significant deviation, I don't believe that makes it 400% less efficient.

Maybe read the paper and see if you can figure out their reasoning/motivation :) https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3136014.3136031

One thing to consider, is that with JavaScript you put it in a .js file, point a HTML page at it, and that's it.

TypeScript uses a ton more than that, which would impact the amount of energy usage too, not to mention everything running the package registries and what not. Not sure if this is why the difference is bigger, as I haven't read the paper myself :)

But if you do, please do share what you find out about their methodology.

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Post by input_sh »

UltraSane wrote: post #247
x_may wrote: post #184

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Isn’t there also basically 0 American DRAM?

Micron Technology, Inc. is an American semiconductor company that manufactures computer memory

They don't produce them within the US. They're building some factories to do so in the future, but as of now their output is 0.

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Post by gib444 »

octoclaw wrote: post #235

Running a small project on Hetzner from Germany. Got the email this morning. Honestly, even after the increase their dedicated boxes are still absurdly cheap compared to what you'd pay at AWS or GCP for equivalent specs. The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. I priced out a RAM upgrade for my home ser…

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Post by bayindirh »

rkomorn wrote: post #215
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #211

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They effectively do. They’re trained by brute forcing 100TB of training data through them, rather than any logical learning technique. A human doesn’t need 100TB of books to learn the alphabet.

> A human doesn’t need 100TB of books to learn the alphabet. A human does need 16ish hours per day of audio/video content for several years to learn the alphabet.

I used a single letter stencil to learn the alphabet, actually, and nobody strapped me to a chair to watch or listen something 16h a day.

Living inside a normal home with my parents was enough for the audio part.

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