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Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

throwaw12 wrote: post #148
jsheard wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems we will run out of hardware by March? What happens when an unstoppable force (building everything in Electron because hardware is cheap) meets an immovable object (oh no hardware is expensive now)?

consumer RAM is not what's creating shortage. Data centers doesn't run electron to train the model or for inference

They effectively do. They’re trained by brute forcing 100TB of training data through them, rather than any logical learning technique.

A human doesn’t need 100TB of books to learn the alphabet.

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Post by keepamovin »

embedding-shape wrote: post #189
keepamovin wrote: post #175

Wow. That sucks. hcloud was great for ages and highly competitively priced. Vultr may be a good alternative. If you want to search VPS prices across the 6 major clouds (gcloud, aws-cli, hcloud, az, doctl, and vultr-cli) I made a wrapper TUI that lets you search, sort, and rent VPS. See it here: https://tui.bluedot.ink

> Vultr may be a good alternative I feel like a huge selling point of Hetzner is that they're based in Europe, and they're themselves citing that as the reason for a huge uptick in sales and new users. In that context, I don't Vultr is a realistic alternative.

OK, I never thought of it like that. It was always a price thing. For a while Vultr and Hetzner were much better value per unit.

What's behind the European push?

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Post by jeroenhd »

embedding-shape wrote: post #183
Forgeties79 wrote: post #179

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Stabilized at 5x (or more), a change that occurred over like 3mo. Grocery prices have also stabilized but I’m still paying too much ha

Well, if all the doomers and gloomers were correct that this is the end of hardware at home, we'd see the price continue to increase, and suppliers trying to ramp up production, even if it'd take long time. The fact that it stabilized (at whatever price) and that suppliers aren't even thinking about ramping up production, should tell people that the doomers and gloomers were yet again over-reacting to things they don…

> Well, if all the doomers and gloomers were correct that this is the end of hardware at home, we'd see the price continue to increase, and suppliers trying to ramp up production, even if it'd take long time.

Ramping up production takes months and paying back the price to ramp up production takes years. Manufacturers have started investing in more production capacity but it'll take a while before supply can be sold off.

Based on interviews with industry professionals, I believe the forecast is that RAM prices will start going down again between August and the end of next year. Until then, prices will climb as stock depletes and RAM production is capped.

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Post by rchaud »

infecto wrote: post #145
Betelbuddy wrote: post #108

It seems we will run out of hardware by March? "Hard drives already sold out for this year" - https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/20/ai_blamed_again_as_ha... Time for an AI tax on the hyperscalers.

Why tax something that the market will figure out? This is normal and things will sort themself out.

Markets only "figure things out" in a petri dish economy where:

1) There are no barriers to entry for competitors (e.g. protectionist tariffs, equal access to capital for everyone)

2) There are perfect substitutes available, so transitioning to a competitor is seamless and free (e.g. no requirement to store data in Country X, no vendor lock-in, no security compliance)

3) The industry is not a "natural monopoly" when only a handful of vendors can operate due to capital investment and national/global distribution required (see power utilities, telecoms, petrochemicals)

4) Profitability attracts competitors (won't happen because of #3), but heavy competition prevents abnormal profits from accumulating to a single player (happens because of #1, #2 and #3)

When markets don't figure things out, as is the case around the world, you get a tangled mess of market failures, government intervention and lobbying to neuter proposed interventions.

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Post by rkomorn »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #211
throwaw12 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

consumer RAM is not what's creating shortage. Data centers doesn't run electron to train the model or for inference

They effectively do. They’re trained by brute forcing 100TB of training data through them, rather than any logical learning technique. A human doesn’t need 100TB of books to learn the alphabet.

> A human doesn’t need 100TB of books to learn the alphabet.

A human does need 16ish hours per day of audio/video content for several years to learn the alphabet.

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Post by bootsmann »

okanat wrote: post #172
capitol_ wrote: post #121

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That Trump makes us very motivated to stop relying on American tech.

This doesn't solve the issue that globalism caused. Europe doesn't make DRAM nor has the know-how to quickly bring factories online which usually take 10+ years. We are tied to American economy and if AI companies start driving prices up not only DRAM but basically everything will become more expensive.

America doesn't manufacture DRAM either, this is all South Korea and Taiwan.

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Post by 1718627440 »

gizzlon wrote: post #204
1718627440 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often they do not actually sell you hardware servers, but VMs running on them, with designated properties.

Hetzner do both.. well rent, not sell, afaik

I ment selling time-shares, so yeah rent.

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Post by embedding-shape »

xnorswap wrote: post #186
Betelbuddy wrote: post #129

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The efficiency... https://users.rust-lang.org/t/energy-consumption-in-programm...

I see that's from almost 10 years ago, it would be interesting to see how that's changed with improvements to V8, python and C# since. Also, Typescript 5 times worse than Javascript? That doesn't really make sense, since they share the same runtime.

Why is that so unbelievable? TypeScript isn't JavaScript, and while they have the same runtime, compiled TypeScript often don't look like how you'd solve the same problem in vanilla JS, where you'd leverage the dynamic typing rather than trying to work around it.

See this example as one demonstration: https://www.typescriptlang.org/play/?q=8#example/enums

The TS code looks very different from the JS code (which obviously is the point), but given that, not hard to imagine they have different runtime characteristics, especially for people who don't understand the inside and outs of JavaScript itself, and have only learned TypeScript.

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Post by pjmlp »

jsheard wrote: post #114
Betelbuddy wrote: post #108

It seems we will run out of hardware by March? "Hard drives already sold out for this year" - https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/20/ai_blamed_again_as_ha... Time for an AI tax on the hyperscalers.

> It seems we will run out of hardware by March? What happens when an unstoppable force (building everything in Electron because hardware is cheap) meets an immovable object (oh no hardware is expensive now)?

We go back to the demoscene days, being creative with what we have instead of shipping Electron junk.
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