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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?

I’m not sure if this is an honest question or not, but I’ll treat it as such, even though you could answer your own question quite easily. The West is not complicit in the actions of the Iranian regime in any way that is similar to the situation with Israel. We are not arming the Iranians with the weapons they turn on civilians: very much not the case with Israel. Israel is treated like a normal state, whereas Iran i…

>In fact, we believe - quite rightly - that if the US had conditioned military assistance to Israel on appropriate care for civilians, then the awful tragedy that unfolded in Gaza could have been averted.

What you saw in Gaza was ALREADY incredible levels of care and restraint (that has cost many Israeli soldiers their lives) to minimize civilian harm, when fighting against an enemy that benefits from increasing said harm.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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For comparison, estimates of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre death count are usually put in the 300-1,000 range by journalists and human rights groups. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...

most of the victims during 1989 Beijing massacre were NOT at the actual square, people should already stop using this simplified term which leads to confusion but yeah, compared to what Israelis do in Gaza or Iran, even whole Beijing numbers are negligible considering China population

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?

People have been protesting in the UK. Fourteen arrested after protest at Iranian embassy: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3g8glgxvo Protester climbs on to balcony of Iranian embassy in London: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy09yvd57x2o Silent protestors gather in solidarity with Iran: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4g1me23x7o

I've been to the protest in Berlin, it's mostly Iranian diaspora there with all my "used-to-be-friends" that turned with Gaza stuff silent as ever.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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The biggest difference is "our" role in it. For western countries, the economic and diplomatic relations with e.g. Israel is a lot stronger than with Iran. It makes much more sense to speak up if you feel your country or one of their allies does something you disagree with. That is only pragmatic, right? Speaking up might actually change things by putting these relations at stake. For Iran, there might not be much le…

I think this is something that a lot of supporters of the Gaza protests tell themselves, but I am not sure that it's actually true. The US and other Western countries sell weapons to Saudi Arabia and have extensive economic ties to that country. Saudi Arabia recently engaged in a bombing campaign in Yemen that looked very similar to Israel's campaign in Gaza. And yet there were no protests. Also, you can influence yo…

Fair enough, I did not know that. Maybe add to your list of reasons that attention is divided over so many conflicts nowadays. Probably there have been conflicts all the time, but with Ukraine, Greenland, Minnesota, Gaza and Venezuela getting a lot of attention it feels like a lot. Note that I don't think the conflicts are remotely comparable with each other, but they each take up a lot of mindspace at least for me.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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There are not even 7,000 Mossad agents, period. 7,000 is the highest estimate publicly available for the TOTAL number of employees in the Mossad, and 95% of them are not agents - just like most US intel are not field agents. Real numbers for agents are far, far lower without a doubt. Also - Israel got burned so bad with the idiotic Pollard affair, there is zero chance Israel would put so much of their assets in the U…

"Mossad agents" would by definition not be "Mossad employees"

You've got that backward. Intelligence Agents are employed by intelligence agencies. Intelligence Assets aren't.

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Said home was forcefully taken though. Legally / internationally Israel was allotted certain land (without the inhabitants getting a say) after WW2, but they quickly decided (on their own) that it wasn't enough and they started invading / colonizing land outside of what they were given. If you're wondering why palestinians are angry, there's your answer.

> Said home was forcefully taken though.

Prove it.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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What happened to Trump threatening to invade? This is the one situation that intervention is called for.

No situation justifies external interference, especially not by the US, which has done more than its fair share of invading and then just making things worse for everyone, like in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Justifies? What a privileged position.

It is great shame that fascist US regime is the only real hope and ally of Persian people today, but it is what it is.

(Israel too, but Israel alone cannot do much).

(But I'm sure EU will send a strongly worded letter any day now)

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#440

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

Your government doesn’t fund Israel, either.
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